Talk:Gwen Stefani

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Template:Infobox_Musical_artist#Genre[edit]

Continuing an earlier discussion about genres: The genre value to the info box is meant for a broad definition of the artist's music. The genre or genres of music performed by the act. Aim for generality (e.g. Hip hop rather than East Coast hip hop). As seen at Allmusic, and Rolling Stone Stefani's music with No Doubt is classified as Rock music. The band incorporated numerous styles and genres and subgenres of music such as Alternative rock Post-Grunge Third wave ska Ska Punk and Dance music. However, the Band is defined as Rock and to a lessor extent Ska.

As a solo artist, again, Stefani is defined as a Rock artist, with numerous styles such as Alternative, Dance, and Pop/Rock. However, generally, Stefani is continually referred to in mainstream media as a rock and/or pop artist, for the sake of generalization, the genre value of the info box should only include the following parent genres:

Just so you know the background on this, the first discussion at Talk:Gwen Stefani/Archive2#Music genres resulted in pop, rock, ska-punk, New Wave, R&B, dance, and indie rock. Indie rock was later removed after Narcolepticpathos (talk · contribs) proposed replacing it with alternative rock, and I'm not sure why R&B was removed. Anyway, common ground between your proposal and previous discussions is rock, ska, and pop, so I think everyone agrees on those three. So now we have the question of dance, New Wave, R&B, and alternative rock. Let's go through this one by one starting with dance music. Allmusic lists her as "Dance", "Dance-Rock", and "Club/Dance", so what's wrong with at least putting dance music? Spellcast (talk) 08:17, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Gwen is definately not R&b no sources call her an R&b artist and the only song she did close to R&B was Luxurious. I agree with dance being added because she has said herself her albums are meant to be fun poppy dance albums. pop obviously. Its very synthpoppy/new wave type music, she is one of the few New wave revivals today. And then we have the overall No doubt genres such as rock/ska punk. Overall solo genres are pop, new wave, dance. sub genres which sould NOT be added are the ones like dance-punk, ragga, alternative rock/pianorock, reggae etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.29.252.104 (talk) 18:03, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
By the same token, no one defines Gwen stefani as a "Dance artist" or a "New Wave" artist. Having a heavy amount of influence in one style of music is not the same as being defined by that category. Artists who have a heavy dance style music are always defined by a parent genre. Madonna and Janet Jackson are two of the world's biggest dance music artist, but they are defined as Rock/Pop and R&B/Pop respectively. If you walk into a store to buy one of Gwen's solo albums, you're not going to find it in a section labeled "Dance" or "New Wave" - She is going to be in a Rock/Pop section, the info box is meant for an artist's most general definition. Allmusic defines Gwen as Rock and then lists the various amounts of music styles and genres she incorporates into her music, the rest of the article and the main album articles are meant to go into specifics, but the info box of her biography should be limited to her broadest categories. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 06:07, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
It's good to see everyone who edited the genres recently (you, Realist2, WesleyDodds, and even a user blocked for edit warring on this) agrees on something. Spellcast (talk) 22:10, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Since no one seems to be willing to discuss this futher, I'll point out here again: Allmusic currently lists Stefani's "genre" as being pop rock, which then goes one to list "styles" such as

Listing allmusic as a source in and of itself is not constructive since we'd be adding at least ten different styles of music to the infobox; in addition to the fact there are numerous sources which also use new wave, punk rock, ska punk, third wave ska, electropop and electronic dance, reggae and dancehall to describe her/No Doubt. Should we be listing sources of all 18 styles of music? The Music Project has had extensive discussion about what is considered to be appropriate for the infobox. At one point we removed the genre field alltogether because no one could agree on how to use sources properly, this is the reason the template simply suggests to be as general as possible when placing genres in the infobox. To that end, Alternative, New Wave, grunge, punk rock etc are all subgenres of rock music. Allmusic and Rolling Stone are (and always have been) sources used to describe the broad range of the artist's style, which is why there was consensus to simply use rock music as her overarching genre for the infobox, the only thing that would be worth considering would be to add dance music since that is the staple on her two solo albums. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 11:32, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Birthplace[edit]

The article currently quotes both Anaheim, California and Fullerton, CA as places of birth. Which is correct ?

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 14:54, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

The source cited didn't say she was born in Fullerton, just that it was her "hometown". I replaced it with a source already in the article that specifically states she was born in Fullerton. PiracyFundsTerrorism (talk) 21:40, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
The "Origin" value of the infobox relates to the "origin of where the musical act was formed". Meaning No Doubt was formed in Anaheim. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 21:42, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Right, but the text of the article used to say that she was born in Anaheim. PiracyFundsTerrorism (talk) 21:46, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Ah, I didn't notice. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 21:47, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
She was born in Fullerton, but raised in Anaheim. As for why it said she was born and raised in Anaheim, that was probably vandalism. Either that, or someone got confused. I was born in a city called Covina in Los Angeles, but raised in another part called San Gabriel. Same thing. Lady Galaxy 19:23, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Gwen was born inside of a Fullerton hospital, but grew up a few minutes away in Anaheim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.217.18 (talk) 05:14, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
Gwen may have been born in Fullerton but her hometown would be Anaheim would it not? I mean the town where her first home was would be her hometown. For example, my family lived in a small village at the time of my birth and I was born in a hospital in a nearby large town. I spent three days at that hospital and was then brought HOME to the village where my parents were living. I would definitely consider that village my hometown rather than the hospital in the town where I was born so I would consider Gwen as essentially being from Anaheim if she was raised there after coming from the hospital. --Travy1991 (talk) 18:51, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

I think we should revisit adding a hometown line, from what it sounds like, Gwen was definitely raised in Anaheim but the combination of the Fullerton birthplace and the Cal State Fullerton alma mater make it seem like Fullerton is her hometown. And to add to the discussion above, I don't think an origin line would work -- I think it has to be hometown because technically as an artist, Gwen Stefani's origin isn't Anaheim. No Doubt's is but Gwen's isn't because her solo career didn't begin until she was established in Los Angeles. SydKat (talk) 08:00, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Protection[edit]

This is a Featured Article- supposedly the best that Wikipedia has to offer its readers. Yet still editors have been adding unsourced information, specifically in the "genre" field, this spreads down to related albums and singles, is intolerable, and it stops right here and right now. I've initially protected this article for three days so that anyone who feels strongly can make a case, but otherwise I don't rule out a longer period of protection simply on the basis that some stability is desirable, these issues should be long-settled by now. --Rodhullandemu 01:11, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Ska[edit]

I thought No Doubt is rock/ska? ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:22, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

They have a heavy amount of ska/punk influence, but they are routinely defined simply as rock. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 06:08, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
Hmmm. They've been called "rock/ska", "pop/ska", and "new wave/ska" by a few sources. They've also been known as alternative and grunge (rock genres). Primarily though, they're rock musicians. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 06:16, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
I would definitely like to see the word ska added in somewhere in the introduction. No Doubt was part of the whole Sublime, Orange County Ska, ska/ punk, third wave ska boom. I think there needs to be indication of Stefani's significant and notable participation in this, I'm flexible on how it's handled. Maybe a sentence noting the various characerizations of the type of music she performs? ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:46, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
I adjusted the lead using the band profiles from Allmusic and Rolling Stone as sources. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 00:24, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Excellent. I'm not an expert on the meaning of new wave, but I'll trust those sources. I think putting a finer category on the music than rock adds a lot to this musician's article. Gracias. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:43, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

24.229.233.239[edit]

Changing Gwen image!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.229.233.239 (talk) 19:39, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

And which of the 7 images did you change? People- this is an encyclopedia, not a photo gallery. PCB —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.162.58 (talk) 02:11, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

What's up with the third sentence?[edit]

I checked the page history and I can't find who wrote it, so... what's the third sentence supposed to be? The punk rock to new wave music, their third wave ska oriented third studio album Tragic Kingdom (1995) propelled them to stardom, selling 16 million copies worldwide... thing.

₮ł-ł€ ø₦€ ₮ł-ł€ \/ʉ₦฿ʉ£$ ₣€ʉ₩ ( / ¢) 03:57, 10 July 2009 (UTC) I attempted to clarify. Considering the broad scope of their music, it was the sound from their third studio album that was considered their breakthrough. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 05:43, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

vocals??[edit]

The most notable thing about Gwen Stefani in No Doubt is most certainly her vocals, with the overdubbing she does in Tragic Kingdom and her characteristic almost squeaky vibrato, you'd think this article would mention it. If Britney Spears gets a section on vocals, surely Stefani. Does anyone know any good critics we could quote for a section?--Louiedog (talk) 14:38, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm puzzled - father is Italian, mother is Scotch-Irish (if I recall correctly),yet the first sentence describes her as African-American.71.116.77.192 (talk) 02:39, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't know where you're getting that info. Gwen is not African-American, since when did the opening sentence say that she was?

People, please. I agree as much as anyone does that Gwen Stefani's vocals, in and out of No Doubt, deserve attention. Find some reliable sources and put the section in. /\\//\|_()|\| (talk) 09:02, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Name[edit]

I know that she goes by her name Gwen Stefani however shouldn't this artical list her marital name?, like her Children have. 91.107.164.223 (talk) 12:52am, 21 April 2010 (GTM) Yes, Gwen did legally change her last name to Rossdale, but her stage name remains her maiden name- Gwen Stefani therefore that is her real name on this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.217.54 (talk) 04:44, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Unprotected?[edit]

Why is this page not semi-protected???????? It's vandalized constantly!!! User:Cprice1000 User:Cprice1000 () 20:49, 25 August 2010 (UTC) Yes, it definitely should be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.217.18 (talk) 04:13, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Featured topic[edit]

Should we add the "Gwen Stefani" article to the "Gwen Stefani albums" featured topic? It makes sense to do so, since she's the author of those albums and therefore related to the topic. Leptictidium (mt) 07:09, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Surname Accent[edit]

Apart from the way english speakers pronunce it, 'Stefani' is an italian surname and it is very very probable that is accented on 'ste' (-> /'stɛːfɑni/) for several reasons:
- first of all, i'm italian, and 'Stefani' is the plural form of 'Stefano' that has always the accent on 'ste'!. Verify it here: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefano.
- italian has a certain tendence to proparoxitone words (maybe you get confused with spanish)
- the used source has a dubious reliability (by whom is written? it is modifible by users) at least for italian.

Okay, so that may be true, but Gwen's Irish-American though, she's not Italian. Perhaps someone should google her last name to see if there is an original Celtic pronunication of it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.217.18 (talk) 03:24, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
So I can say that is almoust sure the accent on 'ste' and i propose to change it.
I think that the most reputable source is the person themselves, so how does she pronounce it? Second of all, since you proposed the change, you must first gain consensus before making it. Thirdly, cf. Los Angeles and Bexar County, Texas. Native pronunciation might not be anything like the English version, until other information becomes available, I am reverting the edit. Feel free to reply. Thank you. P.S. Please sign your posts. -happy5214 08:25, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
She's not italian but it doesn't mean nothing beacuse the surname is italian, and we are talking of the surname, not of the "family tree" O.o.
Alright, well I'm just saying that since Gwen is of Irish origin is there might have been a slightly different pronunciation of her last name, dating back maybe several generations? It doesn't really matter though because I'm pretty sure Gwen can say her own last name or so it is pronounced today. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.217.18 (talk) 02:09, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
Please, read again my reasons why i changed the pronounce: it seems me sufficient the link to wikipedia.it that provides the position of the accent of the singular form of this word (and the italian 'a' too)...........
Other thing: paradoxically i don't think that the pronounce of the person herself is relevant because She doesn't know italian and can't get wrong while according to me her surname should be pronounced correctly --Robbie O'Philips (talk) 11:16, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
I think there's not really a rule about all this, we've got to accept it. I mean, a lot of Americans got non-English surnames and many of them get mispronounced, that's a fact, the reason is very simple: if you're not familiar with a foreign language, for example with Italian, you'll clearly tend to pronounce Italian surnames in an American-English fashion. That's a clear mistake but it is such a common mistake that it becomes "the rule" and not "the exception" in the long run, so to say.
And you're right when you say that Gwen Stefani herself might get wrong about her own last name's pronounciation, she's likely not acquainted with Italian language. It reminds me of another popular actor's case, Steve Buscemi, who recently stated he's always mispronounced his own surname and he had to go to Sicily to find out how you correctly say Buscemi (that's all in Steve Buscemi's article here on Wikipedia). That's funny but such mistakes are much more common than you think, not only in the U.S. to be honest.

her vocal range[edit]

she's a mezzo-soprano. not alto. the source is wrong. change it to mezzo-soprano. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1003:B122:140B:0:0:0:103 (talk) 00:17, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

The part you are editing is a direct quote. That's why it is in quotation marks. Do not change it. If you think there is another source worth quoting, feel free to provide the source and add it to the article. -- Fyrael (talk) 00:28, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Someone I shouldn't have called a nitwit linked Episode: "Kidney Boy and Hamster Girl: A Love Story" to the wrong place[edit]

Like I said, someone I also shouldn't call a dimbulb linked Episode: "Kidney Boy and Hamster Girl: A Love Story" in her filmography to the wrong episode. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CovertAgent183 (talkcontribs) 09:08, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

The link seems to point to the section for season 5, which is probably about the best that can be done, since the episode doesn't have its own section. If you can improve the link, go ahead and do so. Also, please read and follow WP:CIVIL. Trying to call other editors childish names doesn't really accomplish anything. -- Fyrael (talk) 15:59, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
I see, and let that be a lesson to myself: When calling someone else a nitwit on unfounded evidence, I'll end up looking like an idiot.

Musical genres.[edit]

Rock and Ska are both genres that are based from No Doubt, but neither genres define Gwen as a solo artist. You need to separate Gwen and No Doubt from each other. Why has NONE of her own genres from her own career been added? That does not make sense at all! Synthpop, New Wave and dance-pop are the most common genres in her discography and albums and yet they arent added?! I really dont get it. It needs to be added.

"Love. Angel. Music. Baby. takes influence from a variety of 1980s genres to the extent that one reviewer commented, "The only significant '80s radio style skipped is the ska punk revival that No Doubt rode to success". http://www.webcitation.org/1288533925513926 And yet ska is added as a genre?

"Gwen Stefani and No Doubt started out melding ska, pop and new wave into their own unique sound, and throughout the years, they slowly began incorporating synthpop into their music." "Stefani and company made a more direct venture into synthpop on their 2001 album ‘Rock Steady’ with ‘Hella Good’ and ‘Hey Baby,’ and that trend continued with Gwen’s solo albums and tracks like ‘The Sweet Escape’ and ‘What You Waiting For?’" http://popcrush.com/gwen-stefani-synthpop-edm-reinvention/

"It’s not for lack of trying: “What You Waiting For” is a strong first single that utilizes the four modes Stefani voice inhabits: squeal, vulnerable naïf, third grade tattle taler and sing-along school marm. These elements are the backbone of Stefani’s singing style and have made her a small fortune with No Doubt, a band that trades on the conflict between the expressiveness of Stefani’s singing and their generally rock backing tracks, the further move towards electronic elements on the group’s last record predates the material found here, but gives an easy glimpse into what much of Love, Angel, Music, Baby has to offer."

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/reviews/gwen-stefani/love-angel-music-baby.htm

Here are several other reviews and articles mentioning Gwen as a synthpop/electropop artist:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/04/AR2006120401543.html http://entertainment.ie/album-review/Gwen-Stefani-Love-Angel-Music-Baby/111035.htm http://www.slantmagazine.com/music/review/gwen-stefani-love-angel-music-baby http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/life/music/reviews/2004-11-22-listen-up_x.htm http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/06/AR2005110601287.html http://www.electronicbeats.net/en/features/interviews/interview-with-ewan-pearson/ http://www.elle.com/pop-culture/cover-shoots/lamb-chops-2

New Wave: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/gwen-stefani-makes-love-20041001 http://www.popmatters.com/review/stefanigwen-love/ http://www.allmusic.com/album/loveangelmusicbaby-mw0000258810 http://www.allmusic.com/album/the-sweet-escape-mw0000445374

Dance-pop http://www.theguardian.com/music/2006/dec/01/popandrock.gwenstefani http://www.allmusic.com/album/the-sweet-escape-mw0000445374

Several of her singles also are synthpop/dance-pop/New Wave:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_You_Waiting_For%3F http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollaback_Girl http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cool_%28Gwen_Stefani_song%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crash_%28Gwen_Stefani_song%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4_in_the_Morning http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Winter

So synthpop should definitly be added as a genre, aswell as New Wave and dance-pop.

And the previous discussion used Allmusic as a source, it cannot be used, we dont no if does genres are added from professionals, and pop/rock is not pop rock music. Is a general defintion used, just like American Music Awards have used in their awards, but does that mean they are pop rock? No. Britney Spears is also listed as pop/rock, does that mean shes a rock artist too? Should we add rock as a genre to Britney Spears wikipedia page too? No. Dont use allmusic as a source. And wikipedia already discussed that allmusic cannot be used as a source for genre, only from the text review. http://www.allmusic.com/artist/britney-spears-mn0000628467

And the previous discussion, only one member made descision without any consent or approval with a source that cannot be used.

For example this talk discussion talks the same issue as i am,EW uses the same formula pop/rock and pop and rock on the side bar.

"Entertainment Weekly is fine as a source, it's the aspect of the source you're using that is not. The source lists it as a genre in the same way as most media sites use tagging to sort their articles in order for users to click on them and explore other articles of a similar nature. I find listing an album genre in this way as rather crass: The Guardian tags it as "pop and rock"—should I be including rock as a genre here too? What is worse is that the EW source doesn't discuss 4 as a pop album in the actual review (the most important part!), so where is its basis as a pop album indicated? The genre field should reflect the genres that prevail the most in reliable sources."

Thats excactly whats going on with allmmusic. You can't stick a source in the infobox, saying its rock, when the article does not discuss it as rock or anything else.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:4_%28Beyonc%C3%A9_album%29

NOTE; Allmusic is an accepted source by WP:ALBUMS. So you cant use Allmusic as a source for genre, the previous discussion of genre cant be used at all! . 91.154.105.164 (talk) 17:05, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

There is no need to separate Stefani's No Doubt work from her solo work. Stefani would likely have a Wiki article even if she never pursued a solo career, so what would her genres look like then? Would we exclude them completely? It makes the most sense to include all of the genres she is known for - ska and rock are included in that, even if she exclusively did dance-pop as a solo artist. –Chase (talk / contribs) 02:39, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Cropped infobox image[edit]

Didn't know if it wasn't cropped for a reason but could we use the cropped version of the infobox image?
Gwen Stefani Cannes 2011 (cropped).jpg. I feel like we don't need to see the fans behind her LADY LOTUS[[User talk:Lady2602:306:3054:2900:EC75:BFBE:3A2F:6A77 (talk) 10:07, 22 April 2016 (UTC) Lotus|TALK]] 19:48, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Maybe you could update this picture to something more recent. It's not the greatest picture of Gwen. Thanks. 2602:306:3054:2900:EC75:BFBE:3A2F:6A77 (talk) 10:08, 22 April 2016 (UTC)kdr

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Potential FAR[edit]

It's been quite a while since this was first promoted to FA. Having a glance, I noticed there are some bare URLs, dead links, and subpar references such as "PopSugar", Us Weekly AOL Music, Daily Mail, "EthniCelebs", and "That Grape Juice". If not improved from its current state, the article might need an FAR. Snuggums (talk / edits) 22:38, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Just came by this article today and was stunned to find the FA designation. How in the world did that happen? It's a promotional hagiography plain and simple. Needs to be challenged immediately. ~ Alcmaeonid (talk) 20:57, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

fashion designer[edit]

Has she really done enough actual fashion design to be listed as a fashion designer? (Heroeswithmetaphors) talk 00:44, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

evidence of vocal range missing and too much repetition of the word 'her' in article[edit]

Firstly, to just write Gwen Stefani has a three octave vocal range - I do not think there is any evidence to support that claim, song reference and audio sample? In the cover version of Talk Talk's It's my life released with No Doubt, a female version should have been several notes higher in the scale, but Stefani only takes it up just one note instead of 4 notes up. Secondly, this article contains too many repetitions of the word 'her', much of which could be edited down and removed from the sentences, the article is written in a manner that serves to try and defend the celebrity, a very biased self made, or fan made article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.100.54.203 (talk) 10:32, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Extra-protected edit request[edit]

Nominator's rationale: Disruptive editing.

An user named MusikAnimal protected the page with persistent disruptive editing, sadly while the page is protected, it still happen. Can you protected the page with high visible level? My suggestion, if bad users still vandalism, report it. Thanks. Wisnu Aji (talk) 11:08, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

I'm guessing you're referring to the edit warring. The user has been warned, worry not MusikAnimal talk 15:01, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
Seeing as I'm part of the Gwen Stefani WikiProject; I am protecting the article and NOT vandalising an article that I'm trying to protect I loves Meghan Trainor (talk) 21:28, 19 April 2016 (UTC) (Blocked as a sock of MariaJaydHicky.)

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Change of photo[edit]

What's wrong with the new photo? It's a newer image, and although smaller of Gwen herself, it's a better image, showing her in the context she's best known for - singing.

Also, it isn't really required to discuss a change of image as you suggest, however as per BRD, I'll start the discussion off, for transparency I'll mention that I'm not the editor who changed the image, but I am the one who approved the pending edit - because I think it's a good change. Chaheel Riens (talk) 11:53, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

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