Talk:Hernán Cortés

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Former good article nominee Hernán Cortés was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Mexico City[edit]

Of course the Spanish did not name Tenochtitlán "Mexico City" but Ciudad de México. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:14, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Quite right. Spaniards were not in the habit of assigning English labels to places, and claiming that they did so in this case is simply false. Someone seems to have taken it upon themselves to lock the edit at present, but Mexico City in that passage needs to be corrected, the full name was presumably Muy Noble, Insigne, Muy Leal e Imperial Ciudad de México. (talk) 13:37, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

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please add the indigenous perspectiv to this article[edit]

--- The book "Daughters of Copper Woman" by Anne Cameron contains a rare first hand account of indigenous contact with Cortes preserved via deliberately specific oral tradition and then provided to Anne Cameron for purposes of publication . ---

The sentence above is a VERY appropriate edit to this article and fits in right after the sentence "As a result of these historical trends, descriptions of Cortés tend to be simplistic, and either damning or idealizing." which is near the end of the introduction .

The process described above as to how this verifiable and important information has been preserved is part of the documentary effort that is "Daughters of Copper Woman" and is easily verifiable via consideration of that published book and it's contents .

Thank-you for helping us to have our perspective made available to you . (talk) Onesmoke Daray Vauhgn ~~ ~~ (talk) .

IPA incorrect[edit]

The name Pizarro is not pronounced [piˈθaro], but rather [piˈθarro] or [piˈθarːo], depending on the convention adopted. (talk) 17:04, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Discussion of Cholula massacre[edit]

A recent back-and-forth tried to leave the following text in the article:

Cortés, either in a pre-meditated effort to instill fear upon the Aztecs waiting for him at Tenochtitlan or as he claimed, when he was being investigated) having been informed that they were about to be killed in their sleep, massacred thousands of unarmed members of the nobility gathered at the central plaza, then partially burned the city.

The result is unreadable. There is an un-matched parenthesis, and it's a horrible run-on sentence. Please read it carefully, and come up with a better result. I'm not clear a vague claim that they were going to be killed in their sleep is more meaningful than fearing treachery - they say the same thing. A cite on being informed about the specifics of the treachery would be good, too. Tarl N. (discuss) 15:08, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Tarl N. Isn't just easier to fix the grammar then, than reverting? The point is still valid. Should coincide with content of cholula massacre article which is properly sourced.Gaditano23 (talk) 18:20, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
@Gaditano23: Not when I think the change isn't meaningful to begin with. The precise form of alleged treachery is of, at most, passing interest - but it certainly shouldn't be added without a reference. I'm certainly not going to be fiddling around fixing sentence grammar and other messes in an un-cited change which I'm not convinced is a good idea. Discuss what you think you meant to put in there, and I can be convinced, but I'm not going to fix it for you. Tarl N. (discuss) 01:20, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Cortés and his men entered Cholula without active resistance. However, they were not met by the city leaders and were not given food and drink on the third day.[1]:192 Cempoalans reported that fortifications were being constructed around the city and the Tlaxcalans were warning the Spaniards.[1]:193 Finally, La Malinche informed Cortés, after talking to the wife of one of the lords of Cholula, that the locals planned to murder the Spanish in their sleep,[1]:196 although he did not know if the rumor was true or not, Cortés ordered a pre-emptive strike, urged by the Tlaxcalans, the enemies of the Cholulans. Cortés confronted the city leaders in the main temple alleging that they were planning to attack his men, they admitted that they had been ordered to resist by Moctezuma, but they claimed they had not followed his orders. Regardless, on command, the Spaniards seized and killed many of the local nobles to serve as a lesson.[1]:199

The paragraph/sentence should condense/summarize this at least.Gaditano23 (talk) 12:32, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

  1. ^ a b c d Cite error: The named reference Diaz was invoked but never defined (see the help page).