Talk:Justin Bieber

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Former good article nominee Justin Bieber was a Music good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
Date Process Result
May 10, 2014 Good article nominee Not listed
May 28, 2014 Peer review Not reviewed
Current status: Former good article nominee

Recent removals

Shane Cyrus removed some pieces, and Cornerstonepicker and I took issue with some of the removals. Although I reverted all of Shane Cyrus's removals (and the intermediate edits by others), my main issues with Shane Cyrus's changes are the following: I don't like the "Life and career" setup when a Personal life section exists; this is because "personal life" is also the subject's life. The "Bieber's early fanbase developed on YouTube and predated the release of his first album" and "Belieber" material is not, as Shane Cyrus asserted, WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Bieber is famous largely because of YouTube, and his fanbase is notable enough that it is specifically talked about in WP:Reliable sources. And that includes his fanbase being called "Beliebers." These are things that should be mentioned in the article. Bieber's involvement with Selena Gomez is not trivial. She is a long-term romantic partner and should be mentioned in his Personal life section. So should something about Bieber's current relationship with his father; it doesn't need to be the exact quote I restored, but I don't think a person's relationship with their parent is really a trivial matter. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 01:41, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

With this edit, I re-removed some of what Shane Cyrus removed. With this edit, I tweaked the YouTube/Belieber content. And with this edit, I tweaked the dating content. Apparently, they didn't confirm their relationship until 2011, so maybe "2010" should be changed to "2011." Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 02:07, 3 March 2017‎ (UTC)

Followup edits here and here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 02:17, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

"Most successful single at the time" and " to commercial success"

Cornerstonepicker, regarding this edit you made, it's really not a subjective matter. We note what was a commercial success in the lead of our Wikipedia articles; films are just one example. When it comes to a biography article like this, we often state "commercial success" (well, if it's supported in the lead or lower in the article by a reliable source). It's the commercial successes that are usually notable enough for mention in the lead. Some articles use the word hit, but some editors, like SNUGGUMS, find "hit" to be too informal. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 02:01, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

I concur; "commercial success" really isn't a subjective term when there's adequate support (whether through high sales, high charting, or a combination of the two). Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:27, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

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