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Good article Paris has been listed as one of the Geography and places good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.

FA status - Improvements?[edit]

Something tells me that, at this point, this is not a great hurdle to breach: I'm game, if anyone else is, it would help to have an objective assessment of what could be improved, though. THEPROMENADER   07:48, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

I've asked for the objective input of a few copyeditors, for starters - thanks to any who can help. THEPROMENADER   08:14, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Hi, I was pinged by User:ThePromenader. Please note that I not a FA/GA copy editor, I do not pretend that I am familiar with all of their criteria. Having said that, I do possess a dollop of common sense, so here are a few suggestions should you be interested. I've only looked at the lede and the history section so far, I might look at the rest of the article later (no promises). One general comment, it seems very

Lede. The second paragraph is quite hard to follow. First of all we encounter the term 'Paris unité urbaine', then 'aire urbaine de Paris', both of which are described as a measure of urban area (which would imply that they are standard and transferable), but are then used to refer to a specific area itself in Paris. I'm assuming that 'urban area' is the standard measure used for statistical purposes, and then the whole term defines the relevant area in Paris, but in any event, I had to re-read it several times, this is quite a lot of technical detail for the lede, I'd suggest simplifying it somewhat.

I'm not sure adding the dates of the monuments in the lede is required, it's already quite large.

Origins. Maybe mention who beheaded St Denis or at least what group did, this fact is a little isolated at the moment.

Middle Ages "The merchants became a powerful force" in what? Politically, economically, socially?.

"Two and half years later, on 1 December 1420, Henry V of England made his solemn entrance into the French capital". What is the context of this? Why was it solemn? Maybe try "Two and half years later, on 1 December 1420, Henry V of England entered Paris and it remained occupied by the English and their Burgundian allies until 1436." If there was a conflict when they arrived, entered would not be appropriate.

"The city had been neglected for decades; by the time of his assassination in 1610, Henry IV had rebuilt the Pont Neuf, the first Paris bridge with sidewalks and not lined with buildings, linked the Louvre to the Tuileries Palace, and created the first Paris residential square, the Place Royale, now Place des Vosges." What are we trying to say? Is the point that it was neglected, even though Henry had done this work? Was the Pont Neuf the first bridge with sidewalks before or after the rebuilding? Or are we saying that what he did was tantamount to neglect? In any case, the sentence is very fragmented and I can't suggest an alternative because I don't know what it's trying to say.

General comment about the history sections. While Paris is obviously renowned for it's architecture, there are an awful lot of references to various administrations building bridges, boulevards etc. Could some of this be pruned, to maintain a focus on the significant historic events. There is an section devoted to architecture further down, and a link to an article devoted to it and the article is quite long in general. Scribolt (talk) 06:51, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! Yes, Paris has quite a complicated administrative situation, and a few numbers in that lede section refers to statistical areas used by few others than the statistical institutions themselves (and it is wriitten in that context)... that would best be covered in the demographics section, and I'm sure it already is. I'll see if I can clean that up a bit. THEPROMENADER   08:40, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Done, I hope that's better. THEPROMENADER   09:39, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
I dealt with the 'middle ages' section, too, and removed some (unexplained, context-less) extreme detail. THEPROMENADER   14:21, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Now that the context is clearer, perhaps the language could still use some work (so please do!); it's hard fitting all those history-bits together in an understandable way in such a small space. THEPROMENADER   15:50, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Good, yes, it's better now. I'm taking a stab at further tweaks. I want to highlight the following, because I'm going to re-write it.
  • "Paris' cultural centre had begun to move to the right bank, after the draining of its former swampland made the land habitable and fit for crops. The move was concretised with, where Les Halles is today, a 'Les Champeaux' city marketplace that, from 1137,(John Frederick Hinnebusch 1972, p. 262) replaced two smaller ones on the Île de la Cité and Place de la Grève (Hotel de Ville). The latter location housed the headquarters of Paris' river trade corporation, an organisation that became, unofficially (officially, in later years), Paris' first municipal government."
2nd para middle ages. I'm going to try to simplify it, but I suck at references and the John Frederick Hinnebusch bit looks strangely formatted in the current version. Please reinsert it if required. Scribolt (talk) 10:40, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
Yep, there's a lot of info in that short passage. I'm not sure what's up with that reference, but I'll look into it after you're done if need be. THEPROMENADER   23:51, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure of how to present it simply in all that, but the 'new marketplace' became, from the Left Bank, the central island, and riverbanks, the 'new centre' of growth for the Right Bank - everything grew around it (butchers below, city central cemetery just beside it, etc), and it became almost the centre of a town in itself... its location is pretty important. THEPROMENADER   08:10, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Films and other media set n Paris[edit]

We could include a section about Paris as a setting in film. MohammedMohammedمحمد 08:16, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Interesting idea for an article (really!), because it could be an article in itself (where would it start and end, and 'which' movies?), and this article is way too long as it is. If you do decide to start one, I can help, especially with the 'Paris' points of interest therein (Example: I just watched a Bertolucci film, 'The Conformist', that showed the Gare d'Orsay when it was a hotel, before it became a museum). THEPROMENADER   15:11, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Proposition: reducing the 'religious buildings' section to a 'religion' sub-heading in the 'culture' section.[edit]

The 'Relgious buildings' section is pretty predominant, yet it doesn't come near representing the myriad of faiths present in the city. Also, it doesn't fit in with the rest: it is neither 'architecture' nor 'culture', and, more complicated, 'religion' is already outlined in the demographics section.

I'd say it would be a good idea to merge the demographics' 'religion' sub-heading (side note: by law, religion is not part of French demographics anyway) with the 'religious buildings' section as a 'culture' sub-heading, that would also do a lot to shorten the article. Best. THEPROMENADER   07:14, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

IPA[edit]

@Joobo: So enlighten me. You're supposed to provide a valid reason for reverting. Mr KEBAB (talk) 23:01, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

See edit history. --Joobo (talk) 08:58, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
@Joobo: You reverted the revert, alright, thanks, but why did you revert me in the first place? That's what I don't understand. Was it because speakers who still contrast /ɑ/ with /a/ typically choose the latter for this word? Mr KEBAB (talk) 13:57, 17 June 2017 (UTC)