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Birth of the city[edit]

Hallo, I reverted two additions to the article. About the first, when we write about the "history of Rome" and its lifespan, we refer to the city, not to the villages or dwellings that predate it. Between the end of the bronze age the begin of the Iron age, each hill between the sea and the Capitol was topped by a village (on the Capitol, a village is attested since the end of the 14th century BC). However, according to the archeologists none of them had yet an urban quality. Nowadays we think that the city was born through the aggregation ("synecism") of several villages around the biggest, that on the Palatine. This, together with the raise of agricultural productivity, the begin of secondary and tertiary activities and the development of trade with the Greek colonies of southern Italy, is considered as the birth of the city, and happened more or less around the mid of the 8th century BC. About that you can usefully read, among others, Filippo Coarelli "Guida archeologica di Roma", R. A. Staccioli "Roma entro le mura"; Mario Attilio Levi "La città antica"; Massimo Pallottino "Origine e storia primitiva di Roma"; and, last but not least, Andrea Carandini "La nascita di Roma". The last two sources are entirely devoted to the birth of the city. Coarelli and Carandini have been translated in english.

About Rome having 16% of the world art treasures, in order to write it we need a RS that explain us the criteria adopted to estimate this number. Without that, the number is only "fried air" (as we say in Rome ;-)). Alex2006 (talk) 18:36, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

If "more than two and a half thousand years" seems short to some, maybe we can just come up with different wording? "2.8 thousand", "28 centuries", or simply "since the 8th century BC"? Even "near 3 thousand" would be all right with me, even if a bit of a stretch; it's a general, not a scientific statement. --A D Monroe III (talk) 21:51, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
Personally I have no problem about the first three variants that you propose, but the fact that the original wording "seems short" to someone, is not a valid reason to change it. The problem is not to find consensus about the dating of the first archeological findings on the site which would have become Rome, but the understanding about what a "city" is. A couple of years ago took place a long similar discussion about Istanbul, which some user pretended having been "founded" around 9,000 B.C., but this interpretation has been rejected. The reason, as I wrote above, is that most of historians and archeologist don't consider a couple of huts above a hill inhabited by dwellers who practiced a subsistence agriculture (and fishing, as was the case of the villages on Istanbul's site) as a city, each ancient city which has not been founded by colonist a pre-urban, a proto-urban and an urban age, and in the case of Rome archeological evidence set the transition to the last one around the 8th century B.C.. The debate right now is between academicians who, like Carandini, think that the myths about Rome have a historical significance, and those who think that they are just legends, but the archeological evidence is not controversial. Alex2006 (talk) 06:30, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Earliest History[edit]

Some content from this section was copied to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_of_Rome to improve the page referrred to, which should be the main reference on this topic Rjdeadly (talk) 22:29, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

MORE than just Italy's Capital[edit]

Shouldn't this article's lead begin a bit different from other city-articles ? I mean it's known as "the Eternal City" and has a history which very few other cities have. Perhaps

Rome, the Western World's most imperative city through the times. Usually labeled as "the Eternal City", since 18?? Italy's Capital City but with a history which goes thousands of years beyond Italy's own one.
Or something in line with that ? A brief but "strong" beginning of the lead. Italy was founded (or united) around 1870, but initially was some other city it's Capital, I think. Boeing720 (talk) 21:56, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
I disagree. Rome is usually called "Rome"; romantic epithets aren't among the first things to be known about a city. City articles all start by describing the present, then mention the city's historical role in the first paragraphs when it's warranted; see, for instance, Xi'an, Beijing, Istanbul, Athens, Beirut, Jerusalem. This article should follow the pattern. I strongly agree that the historical role of Rome as capital of the Roman empire deserves far more space, either in this article or in a separate one (there is a separate Constantinople article). Rp (talk) 16:26, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
OK fair enough. But within the Western World is Rome is it doubtlessly so, only Athens, Jerusalem and Alexandria can compete. But the Roman Empire eventually ruled entire south Europe, the Holy Land and beyond, North Africa - including Carthago , which they destoyed. It's sooner a few of the other cities that also could do with (for them)

proper beginnings of the lead. History (for many centuries the centre of the Roman Empire, followed by Capital of Western Rome - when London and Paris still was unheard of/non existing. Again followed by more centuries as the Capital of the Papal States etc, that is far more than the historically rather brief time that it has been the Capital of Italy. I have no connections to either Rome nor Italy, by the way. I've spend an hour at Ciampino airport once, and that's all. Boeing720 (talk) 22:14, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

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