Template talk:UK Order of Precedence (Gentlemen)

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The Prince of Wales shouldn't be referred to as "The Prince of Wales, Duke of Rothesay" as this style is only used in Scotland and this table refers to precedence in England and Wales. I'm removing the Rothesay title. Opera hat (talk) 10:15, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

This box is not for England and Wales, it's for UK — someone unwittingly changed its scope by changing a pipe... I'll reinstate both DBD 11:34, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Er, actually this list is only valid for England and Wales. The Church of England Archbishops have no precedence in Scotland or Northern Ireland, for example. See Order of precedence in Scotland and Order of precedence in Northern Ireland. I've changed the title again and removed Rothesay. Opera hat (talk) 11:52, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Ambassadors and Dukes[edit]

1. The template shows the Earl Marshal (the Duke of Norfolk) as having precedence immediately behind the Lord Chief Justice (Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd). Should Ambassadors and High Commissioners (in order of arrival) not come in between?

2. The template shows the Lord Great Chamberlain (the Marquess of Cholmondeley) as having precedence immediately behind the Earl Marshal (the Duke of Norfolk). Should dukes, eldest sons of royal dukes, Ministers, envoys, and other very important visitors from foreign countries not come in between?

In both cases, see Order of precedence in England and Wales. Alekksandr (talk) 22:20, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

I now see that the article is stated as 'not including short-term appointments, visiting dignitaries and most peers'. But is an ambassador a visiting dignitary in the same way as a Commonwealth PM is?Alekksandr (talk) 22:22, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Officers of state[edit]

Is there a reason why, in the Northern Ireland list, the Lord Steward of the Household (The Earl of Dalhousie) comes in ahead of the Lord Great Chamberlain (The Marquess of Cholmondeley)? Could this be a result of confusion between the latter and the Lord Chamberlain of the Household (The Earl Peel)?

[1] Alekksandr (talk) 22:56, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

  1. ^ If the Lord Steward of the Household and the Lord Chamberlain are dukes, they rank between the Great Officers of State and the remaining dukes; if not, they are placed at the head of their rank.