Carlton–Collingwood AFL rivalry
|First meeting||7 May 1892|
24 June 2018|
Collingwood 11.13 (79) d. Carlton 9.5 (59)
|All-time series||Carlton 127 wins, Collingwood 125 wins, 4 draws|
|Largest victory||Carlton - 111 points (9 July 2000)|
The sporting rivalry between Australian rules football clubs Carlton and Collingwood is the biggest and longest lasting rivalry in the Australian Football League (AFL). Despite the two clubs having not met in a final since 1988, the rivalry is regarded by some as being among the most historic and significant in Australian sport.
The two clubs have played each other 256 times in the VFL/AFL, with Carlton ahead with 127 wins to Collingwood's 125, and 4 draws. They have met six times in Grand Finals, with Carlton successful in all bar one of them.
- 1 Early matches
- 2 1910 Grand Final
- 3 Head to head
- 4 Peter Mac Cup
- 5 Richard Pratt Cup
- 6 History
- 7 Players/coaches that represented both clubs
- 8 See also
- 9 References
- 10 External links
In 1864, the Carlton Football Club was established. In 1877, they were one of the founding clubs of the Victorian Football Association. In 1892, the Collingwood Football Club was established and admitted to the Association.
Once the VFA agreed to accept Collingwood's bid to join the league, they realised that Collingwood had only 17 matches scheduled when a minimum of 18 was required. Collingwood looked unlikely to take part in the upcoming VFA season until Carlton's club secretary Jack Melville suggested a solution: Carlton were to cancel a scheduled match with South Ballarat and play an extra game against Collingwood.
Bill Strickland first played VFA football for Carlton in 1885, and in 1887, Strickland captained the Blues to their second VFA Premiership. In 1893, Collingwood convinced Strickland to leave Carlton and play for Collingwood, in what is now looked back[by whom?] as one of the first major player movements in Australian rules football history. Carlton did not show any bitterness towards Collingwood or Strickland, but this would change the history and upcoming of the Collingwood Football Club. Strickland's arrival at Collingwood turned the club around. They quickly became Premiership contenders and under Strickland's captaincy, Collingwood won their only VFA Premiership, in 1896 against South Melbourne.
First VFL encounter
In 1897, both Collingwood and Carlton were part of the eight teams which broke away from the VFA to form the Victorian Football League. In Round 7 of the 1897 VFL season, the clubs played against each other in their first encounter in the new VFL. This was Carlton's first home game at Princes Park, its new home venue upon entering the VFL, and which would remain its home ground until 2005. Collingwood 6.4 (40) defeated Carlton 5.6 (36).
1910 Grand Final
The hostility in the rivalry between Carlton and Collingwood is considered by some sources to have commenced with the 1910 VFL Grand Final; until that time, the clubs were generally thought to be friendly terms.
Early in the fourth quarter of the match, while Collingwood was leading, a huge brawl broke out involving at least thirty players and officials from both clubs; the fight was described by experienced umpire Jack Elder as the worst he saw in his VFL career. Collingwood held on to win by 14 points, but four players were reported for starting the big fight and as a result were heavily suspended.
Percy Sheehan (Carlton) and Jack Shorten (Collingwood) both were given 18 month suspensions, and Jack Baquie (Carlton) and Tom Baxter (Collingwood) both received 12 month suspensions. However, Collingwood appealed the Baxter suspension and produced a written declaration from another player, Richard Daykin, claiming that it was he and not Baxter who had traded blows with Baquie. The VFL chose to accept Daykin’s confession and cleared Baxter of his 12-month suspension. Soon after Baxter was cleared, Daykin announced his immediate retirement from VFL football. Carlton vowed never to forget this day and they soon had their revenge by winning the Premiership from Collingwood in 1915.
Head to head
Since joining the VFL in 1897, Collingwood and Carlton have faced-off 255 times, which is the most of any two clubs in the VFL/AFL.
|Head to head results|
In 112 years, the two clubs have played in 22 Finals against each other.
Their first meeting in a final was the 1903 Semi Final. Collingwood won by 4 points before going on to win their second VFL Premiership.
They have not played against each other in a final since the 1988 Qualifying Final which Carlton won by 38 points.
Collingwood and Carlton have met in six VFL Grand Finals. Collingwood won the first (1910), and Carlton won the other five (1915, 1938, 1970, 1979 and 1981). The 1970 Grand Final is regarded as one of the league's all-time classic games, played in front of the largest ever crowd of 121,696, featuring a famous specky by Alex Jesaulenko, and won by Carlton after recovering from a 44-point half time deficit.
|Team||1 Qtr||2 Qtr||3 Qtr||Final|
|Crowd: 42,577 at the MCG.|
|Team||1 Qtr||2 Qtr||3 Qtr||Final|
|Crowd: 39,343 at the MCG.|
|Team||1 Qtr||2 Qtr||3 Qtr||Final|
|Crowd: 96,486 at the MCG.|
|Team||1 Qtr||2 Qtr||3 Qtr||Final|
|Crowd: 121,696 at the MCG.|
|Team||1 Qtr||2 Qtr||3 Qtr||Final|
|Crowd: 113,545 at the MCG.|
|Team||1 Qtr||2 Qtr||3 Qtr||Final|
|Crowd: 112,964 at the MCG.|
Peter Mac Cup
Since 1993, both the Carlton and Collingwood Football Clubs have jointly raised awareness about treatment for cancer. Every year since 1993, an annual match between the clubs has helped raise money and awareness in cancer research. The inaugural Peter Mac Cup between the rivals took place in Round 6 of the 1993 AFL season. The trophy is named in honour of Sir Peter MacCallum MC, a Scottish-born Australian oncologist who was the co-founder of the Peter MacCallum Cancer Centre in Melbourne. Since 2010, Collingwood home matches are played for the Peter Mac Cup.
Richard Pratt Cup
After former President of the Carlton Football Club and influential Melbourne businessperson Richard Pratt died in April 2009, both clubs announced that the following match between them would be played for the inaugural Richard Pratt Cup. Pratt died of prostate cancer and consequently the match is used to raise awareness of the disease. The inaugural Richard Pratt Cup between the rivals took place in Round 17 of the 2009 AFL season. Since 2010, Carlton home matches are played for the Richard Pratt Cup.
In round 1 of the 1914 VFL season, Collingwood hosted Carlton at Victoria Park. It was during this game when Collingwood's full-forward, Dick Lee, took one of the most recognised marks of all time. As a result, Lee had broken the ankle strap on his boot after taking the mark. He removed his boots and kicked the goal with his bare foot. This match was the first VFL draw between the clubs. Collingwood 8.8 (56) drew Carlton 6.20 (56)
Many Carlton and Collingwood players worked in the local brewery, as did Collingwood coach Jock McHale, who was a foreman. It was therefore a suspicious coincidence when, on the morning of the 1938 VFL Grand Final between two sides, Carlton captain-coach Brighton Diggins was rostered to clean barrels in the brewery steam room, while Collingwood acting captain Albert Collier had the day off. Carlton won the match.
Carlton success in the 1970's
In front of 112,838 people at the MCG, the two rivals put on a show in the semi final of 1970. It was the second time since 1945 that the sides had met in a final. And the game would go down to the wire.
Alex Jesaulenko of Carlton kicked 8 goals for the day and Collingwood's Peter McKenna topped the goal kickers list with 9. The final margin was ten points, with Collingwood 17.16 (118) defeating Carlton 17.6 (108).
During the 1970 Grand Final, Alex Jesaulenko leapt upon Collingwood ruckman Graeme Jenkin to the commentary of Mike Williamson shouting "Oh Jesaulenko, you beauty!". The mark was the first to be recognised officially as the Mark of the Year, now awarded annually as the Alex Jesaulenko Medal.
After Carlton's narrow victory over Collingwood in the 1979 VFL Grand Final, Carlton president George Harris famously stirred up the rivalry when he proclaimed "What's better than beating Collingwood by ten goals? Beating them by five points!"
Warren Ralph after the siren
On Anzac Day 1984, 68,082 people sat on the edge of their seats in the dying seconds at Waverley Park, as Warren Ralph of Carlton was given a controversial free kick against Collingwood's Peter McCormack. With Collingwood six points in front, the final siren had sounded seconds after the umpire had called the free kick; 25 metres out from goal, Ralph needed to kick a goal to force a draw. His shot narrowly missed for a minor score, seeing Collingwood win by five points.
Collingwood 10.16 (76) defeated Carlton 9.17 (71).
Goals of the Year
Each team has once had a player kick a memorable Goal of the Year against the other.
|Mick McGuane's famous 7-bounce goal of the year in 1994|
In Round 2, 1994, Collingwood's Michael McGuane received the ball and ran from the centre-square along the wing and half-forward flank, closing to 30 metres and kicking it through the goals. He bounced the ball a total of seven times during the famous run, winning the Goal of the Year award for 1994.
Twelve years later, in Round 21, 2006, Carlton's Eddie Betts smothered a handball in defence from Collingwood's Tarkyn Lockyer, gathered the ball just inside the boundary line, and kicked a goal with banana kick from the tight angle while under pressure from Magpie defender Simon Prestigiacomo, to win the 2006 Goal of the Year award.
The Millennium Match
On New Year's Eve 1999, the AFL celebrated the start of a new millennium with an early pre-season Ansett Cup match between the two rivals at the MCG. The game and event were both disappointments; fewer than 20,000 spectators attended, when a much higher crowd was expected, and Carlton won an uncompetitive match by 88 points. The game is best remembered for a young Brendan Fevola, who at this stage had played only two senior games, kicking twelve goals for Carlton.
Carlton 20.17 (137) defeated Collingwood 7.7 (49).
The 2000's: suburban matches and blowouts
Since 1987, games between the clubs were no longer scheduled at their traditional suburban home grounds of Princes Park and Victoria Park; to suit the larger crowds, all games had been scheduled for the M.C.G. and Waverley Park.
However, in Round 18, 2000, the teams met for one final suburban game, due to a minimum contract of games to be played at Princes Park for season 2000. Carlton fans would not be disappointed, seeing the Blues kick eleven goals to one in the third quarter and ultimately record a 111-point win, the greatest margin in any game between the two rivals. Carlton 28.12 (180) defeated Collingwood 10.9 (69).
Collingwood extracted revenge in Round 18 of the 2002 AFL season. In Nathan Buckley's 200th game, Collingwood showed no mercy to the Blues with a massive record-breaking 108-point victory, helping Carlton receive their first VFL wooden spoon. To add insult to injury, Joffa Corfe waved a giant wooden spoon around throughout the game. Collingwood 21.15 (141) defeated Carlton 4.9 (33).
Both teams were out of finals contention when they met in the last round of the 2004 season. But when Carlton and Collingwood came together at the MCG, the ladder positions became irrelevant, as they would record the largest home-and-away crowd for the 2004 season.
Collingwood started strong in the first half but their poor kicking in front of goal kept the door open for the Blues. After a five-goal third quarter, the Blues took the lead before a late Magpie charge fell short. Despite having four more shots at goal, Collingwood would lose to Carlton by a single point. Carlton 17.6 (108) defeated Collingwood 16.11 (107).
Malthouse vs. Buckley
Arguably the most significant of the contests between the two clubs in the 2010s came in Round 2 of the 2013 season. After coaching Collingwood for over a decade and having taken them to a premiership in 2010, Michael Malthouse had, somewhat reluctantly, stood down at the conclusion of the 2011 season, before being lured back into coaching by the Magpies' rivals twelve months later. The build-up to the match was intensely scrutinised by media and the public, with great attention paid to the increased hostility between Malthouse and senior Collingwood executive figures, such as Eddie McGuire and Nathan Buckley; the latter having played under Malthouse's management as captain of Collingwood for eight years.
Before a crowd of over 84,000 at the MCG, Collingwood came from behind to record a thrilling 17-point victory. Collingwood would go on to win the remaining premiership matches between the two teams whilst Malthouse was at the helm at Carlton, ensuring Buckley would obtain a 5-0 winning record against his former coach. Malthouse retired from coaching in May 2015, after having recorded his 718th match in the VFL/AFL as a senior coach, which came against Collingwood.
Players/coaches that represented both clubs
|Played or coached for both Carlton and Collingwood;|
|Bill Strickland (Carlton 1885-1896 (VFA), Collingwood 1897).|
|Les Abbott (Collingwood 1904, Carlton 1905).|
|Tom Clancy (Carlton 1910-14, Collingwood 1915-16).|
|Jack Lowe (Collingwood 1912-13, Carlton 1914).|
|Harry Curtis (Carlton 1913, Collingwood 1914-23).|
|Wally Raleigh (Collingwood 1913-15, Carlton 1920-21).|
|Harold Rumney (Carlton 1925-26, Collingwood 1927-37).|
|Les Hughson (Collingwood 1927, Carlton 1933-34).|
|Jim Crowe (Carlton 1929-34, Collingwood 1936-37).|
|Norm Le Brun (Collingwood 1933-34, Carlton 1935).|
|Harry Sullivan (Carlton 1950-54, Collingwood 1955-60).|
|Peter McKenna (Collingwood 1965-75, Carlton 1977).|
|Ray Byrne (Carlton 1973-79, Collingwood 1978-83).|
|Russell Ohlsen (Carlton 1974-78, Collingwood 1979-81).|
|Michael McGuane (Collingwood 1987-96, Carlton 1997).|
|Barry Mitchell (Collingwood 1993, Carlton 1994-1996).|
|Trent Hotton (Collingwood 1994-96, Carlton 2000-02).|
|Heath Scotland (Collingwood 1999-03, Carlton 2004-14).|
|Cameron Cloke (Collingwood 2004-06, Carlton 2007-09).|
|Chris Bryan (Carlton 2005-06, Collingwood 2007-09).|
|Mick Malthouse (Collingwood coach 2000–11, Carlton coach 2013–15).|
|Jordan Russell (Carlton 2005-12, Collingwood 2013).|
|Dale Thomas (Collingwood 2006-13, Carlton 2014-).|
- Adam McNicol (1 July 2013). "Great Australian Sporting Rivalries". Brotherhood Books. Archived from the original on 5 March 2017.
The big international rivalries that help to define us as a nation are covered: America’s Cup, Australia vs New Zealand in netball and rugby union, Shane Warne casting a spell over Daryll Cullinan. And the grand tales behind the national rivalries that hold us in thrall – Collingwood vs Carlton and New South Wales vs Queensland in rugby league – are there as well.
- "That Other Great War". Blueseum.org. 1 October 2008. Archived from the original on 5 March 2017.
It has been on the boil for over 100 years. Born in the first decades of the VFL, and fanned into flames during the Great Depression and two world wars, it has broken marriages, split life-long friendships and started riots. It has been a focus of every level of Australian society - from Prime Ministers to pensioners, from Archbishops to barmaids. And it has been typified by some of the most controversial and passionate games of Australian football ever played. It is Carlton versus Collingwood – still the greatest and most enduring rivalry in Australian sport.
- Greg Baum (1 July 2016). "AFL season 2016: Blues versus Pies - is the deadly enmity dying?". The Age.
Collingwood and Carlton share footy's longest-standing enmity. Many myths have grown up about the forces that shape it...The mythology has become harder to sustain...The fact is that the Collingwood-Carlton rivalry should by now have died, but has not. But for the sake of self-respect, if not existentially, it needs bigger stakes than mid-table consolidation, rescued pride and muted boasting rights. It needs a final, preferably knock-out, soon.
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