Talk:27 Club

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Avicii[edit]

Granted he was 28, close enough for a mention ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:105A:700:483B:844:7B5D:4E40 (talk) 18:19, 20 April 2018 (UTC)


where is achik spin?[edit]

can someone put achik spin in the 27 club, please. he was a malaysian singer and had passed away in 2010 by the age 27. Sippycup (talk) 07:03, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Here's a reference associating Mr. Spin with the 27 Club. Mudwater (Talk) 11:23, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 Done I have added Achik Spin to the list, here. Mudwater (Talk) 00:18, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 January 2017 (Henry Ragas entry)[edit]

There seems to be an error at the table entry for Henry Ragas:

Stating age as Error: Need valid year, month, day in stead of 28 years, 48 days (birth/death dates from Henry Ragas page)

This change in turn shows that he was 28 years old at death, and thus should not be in this list. To corroborate this: Neither of the 2 references in this entry (ref. 25 and 26) show any reference to him. Tnvaessen (talk) 12:14, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

 Done I have removed the recently-added entry from the list, for the two reasons you mentioned. Mudwater (Talk) 23:36, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 January 2017[edit]

Fix Henry Ragas age in the table "Identified members". Currently it shows "-1,866 years, -58127 days", it should display "27 years 48 days". Skyjur (talk) 14:53, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Done DRAGON BOOSTER 15:10, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing the table. But, there would seem to be two reasons to remove the recently-added entry for Henry Ragas (as indicated in the previous thread, #Semi-protected edit request on 9 January 2017 (Henry Ragas entry)). (1) The two cited references do not associate Mr. Ragas with the 27 Club, and (2) based on the birth and death dates in his Wikipedia article, he was 28 years old when he died. I am therefore going to delete that entry. Mudwater (Talk) 23:31, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

James Laurence of Friendzone[edit]

On the Deaths in January 2017 list, I added James Laurence, one-half of the instrumental hip hop duo Friendzone. Laurence was reported dead by Fact (UK magazine) on 30 January 2017 here (http://www.factmag.com/2017/01/30/james-laurence-friendzone-died/). I used the source from Pitchfork Media here (http://pitchfork.com/news/71236-aap-rocky-yung-lean-producer-james-laurence-dead-at-27/) He was 27; however, I am unable to find: birth and death dates for Laurence from a reliable source; and a cause of death from a reliable source. Also, I was debating whether or not he was notable enough to appear on this list, he did co-produce (alongside his partner Dylan Reznick) a song for A$AP Rocky from his debut studio album and is credited with developing a style of hip hop known as cloud rap. I would greatly appreciate any comments or suggestions. Thank you. WereWolf (talk) 16:39, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

@WereWolf: By previous consensus, someone can be added to the list if there's a third-party reference associating them with the 27 Club. (But reliable birth and death dates would help.) Mudwater (Talk) 23:49, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
I've taken James Laurence out of the list, here, because I can't find an appropriate reference associating him with the 27 Club. Mudwater (Talk) 08:50, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Add Thuy Trang to this article[edit]

Thuy Trang was an actress on Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers in which she played Trini Kwan. She got into a car accident on September 3, 2001 at age 27. I believe that she should be added. Nickbrock123 (talk) 20:52, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Not done For the most simplest answer, no because she is an actress, not a musician which is what this list is for. Donnie Park (talk) 20:11, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
Actually, the criteria is that a source should make the association between death and "club", not Wikipedia. The definition for the club may have started out with musicians , but reliable sources indicate that it has broadened since. Is there a source that can be shown to do this? --Escape Orbit (Talk) 20:16, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Cross about Cross?[edit]

Why are we citing Charles R. Cross as a source for a "statistical spike"? In the absence of a source for actual statistical data, his statement that there is a statistical spike is just conjecture; he's not a statistician, and putting his conclusion on an equal basis with the actual research by real scientists is undue weight. It's possible that he is citing some real research, as opposed to anecdotal observations. Otherwise, he's not a reliable source regarding statistics. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 15:52, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Ria Bartok[edit]

Ria Bartok is a german-born french musician (singer). dob: 28 january 1943 dod: 2 march 1970 (age 27) cause: accidential fire at her home — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.232.244.125 (talk) 18:17, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 June 2017[edit]

I (or another person) need to add Orish Grinstead (Former member of US girl group 702). Born 2nd June 1980. Died 20th April 2008 of kidney failure and cancer complications at the age of 27 Yacoblol (talk) 14:48, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

 Done, here. Mudwater (Talk) 01:07, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

song called 27[edit]

machine gun kelly made a song on his album called 27. it includes lyrics such as: if i must go and die at 27, then at least i know i died a legend. i would like to add this to the song refrence section of the wiki page. Tylersschool (talk) 18:11, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Not done: the lyrics seem ambiguous. To another person, the phrase could also mean "dead at age 27." jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 01:07, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 September 2017[edit]

Hello You should remove the entry for Valentin Elizalde singer, he might died at 27 but he is not related to the lifestyle or music contribvution of the famous members like Cobain or Morrisson. I´m from mexico and I KNOW wht Im talking about for this request anad I also know about rock ant other genres, he was a banda singer (a variation from european band style) and was far from freedom and other ideas of the members. He has no merits to be related to such Icons as Janis or Jones or Robert johnson. even in mexico he is not recognized as someone important in the music or with a legacy. 189.216.97.221 (talk) 00:44, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Not done: There is a source for including Mr. Elizalde on this list and I am not inclined to remove him based on an argument which amounts to "I don't like him". —KuyaBriBriTalk 02:19, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Moved new section to talk page[edit]

If this new section is to remain it needs a lot of work

There is total different perspective about the 27 Club by the situation the polymath Rolando Nuztas have experience. At the age of 22 just as a DJ have get it home as was been chased by mexican hitman. A lot of child on Albania suffers this issue due to a cultural problem called Gjakmarrja, after 5 years of involunter cloister the DJ has became a multi-project producer[1][2] and an anthropologist. The polymath has create Liber Abaci Records[3] with the sublabel 22 July Records[4] for EDM Federal Reserve Records[5] for alternative music. Also Rolando Nuztas has archive a variety of intelectual contributions like music and visual arts using Golden Ratio and Silver ratio, a new or unxplore rhythm system named Kappa Rhythmic Units, a new mesurement called SPB (step per beat) that can be used only in the performing art of the fashion runway toghether with an EDM DJ, the secret of the pyramids using the dynamo theory, the truth about the ancient antigravity system using the ancient solfeggio scale, a new gravity and black hole theory; also a variety of conspiracy, teology, quantum, genetic, pseudoscience and pseudoarcheaology theories & the a new way to play association football named Fibonacci Football. At the age of 27 as a polymath Rolando Nuztas cloud get away to scape from Guadalajara, Mexico to Cancun for the 2013 christmas to live again.[6][7]


Carptrash (talk) 17:37, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

I re-removed the new paragraph from the article, here. Mudwater (Talk) 04:04, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
I also removed this paragraph, hopefully the editor joins the discussion here instead of inserting it again. Greyjoy talk 05:37, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
And I re-re-removed it, together with all the other instances about what "Mexican polymath Rolando Nuztas" did in other articles. This editor seems to have only one single purpose here, and it needs to stop. See User talk:Nuztas1986#Please stop promoting yourself. Next stop is wp:ANI. - DVdm (talk) 09:21, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 November 2017[edit]

Add Cody Ko to the list. Died by to much clout Exmalee (talk) 17:20, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Not done. Joke? - DVdm (talk) 19:01, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

I am proposing[edit]

that musicians who are not blue links but are associated with bands or acts that ARE blue links be removed from the list. The list is about individuals, not bands, so to be on the list a person should be notable, as indicated by being a blue link. Carptrash (talk) 21:43, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

  • Oppose, per WP:NNC. The contents of an article, or the individual entries of a list, do not need to meet the Wikipedia criteria for notability. Only the overall subject of the article -- in this case, the 27 Club itself -- must be notable. Mudwater (Talk) 22:35, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
So you @Mudwater:, as per your rule, don't think that even the band needs to be notable? Carptrash (talk) 22:45, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
Correct! Not even the band needs to be notable. But by previous consensus on this article's talk page, there has to be an appropriate third-party reference, referring to the person as a member of the 27 Club (or similar name such as the Forever 27 Club). Mudwater (Talk) 23:49, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
So when some blog or something (Forever 27 Club) says,". She died at 27 years of age, thus qualifying her as the latest member of the forever 27 club of musicians who tragically met their demise at the same age." that is good enough for us?
This article is about a phenomenon of pop culture, so things are going to be slightly less rigorous than in some other articles. But, again, the contents of an article or list do not have to be notable. Only the subject of the article itself must be notable. I am actually not 100% in agreement with the previous discussions about who should or should not be included -- I would favor an even more inclusive approach -- but, that's where we're at, at this point in history. (As always, other editors are encouraged to join the discussion.) Mudwater (Talk) 01:45, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
Well I am basically an inclusionist, so could be talked into almost anything. But I am used to lists such as List of architecture firms where if the blue link rule is not used the article turns into the yellow pages of every firm in the known universe. Quickly. Carptrash (talk) 04:37, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Please Add Bunker Spreckles[edit]

Hi

Bunker Spreckles died at the age of 27. He is featured in a documentary free on Amazon Prime called Bunker77. Here is the wikipedia reference for Bunker

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunker_Spreckels

hope this gets added, bunker was a surfing icon. John — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.68.227.147 (talk) 23:53, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

KIM JONG HYUN[edit]

He is a member of a popular K-Pop group called SHINEE, he was found dead today (December 18,2017)

Here are some of the articles:

1) [1] 2) [2] 3) [3]

This is his wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Jong-hyun_(singer) . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Syirazi Siraj (talkcontribs) 11:17, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2017[edit]

Today Kim Jonghyun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Jong-hyun_(singer) died from suicide at the age of 27. I feel like he should be added to the list. Sheslikemagic (talk) 12:08, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Already done by SwaggiiChris (talk). regards, DRAGON BOOSTER 15:21, 18 December 2017 (UTC).
I've just removed it. The cite used didn't mention "the club" and also says he was 28. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 17:15, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

edit semi-protected / cause of death: Suicide by Carbon Monoxide[edit]

Cause of death: Suicide by Carbon Monoxide

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Iquares (talkcontribs) 03:17, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Multiple sources say that Kim Jong-Hyun died by suicide, but I'm not seeing anything about carbon monoxide. I'm going to take that part out. If reliable sources provide information about how he killed himself, that can be added to the article. Mudwater (Talk) 08:01, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
I've found a reference for the carbon monoxide, and updated the article, here. Mudwater (Talk) 13:14, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

ANIKÓ SEBŐK[edit]

Hello! Anikó Sebők was a Hungarian singer, part of a girl group called C'est La Vie. She just started her solo career but died at age 27, 2 weeks after a car accident.

<ref>https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%E2%80%99est_La_Vie_(egy%C3%BCttes) <ref>https://www.gyertyagyujtas.hu/index.php/4760.kivalasztott <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmQOkAHsRdc

Do any of the sources state that she wasis a member of the 27 Club? Carptrash (talk) 16:19, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

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Jade Goody?[edit]

Jade Goody also died at 27 - arguably the most successful / famous person to go on Big Brother (or any reality show) and be 'famous for being famous', her life and death were constantly reported in the tabloids, even after she passed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jade_Goody — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.29.193.47 (talk) 10:27, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

This article is about the 27 Club, and those identified with it. Has Goody been so? Do you have a cite? --Escape Orbit (Talk) 17:06, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 February 2018[edit]

I would like to add to the section regarding 27 Club references in music the following:

In the song This Is It by the Flatbush Zombies rapper Meechy Darko references the 27 Club in the line "27 Club, here I come" while reflecting on his mortality and talking about the ways he believes he will likely die. TheBeef422 (talk) 04:13, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. feminist (talk) 13:22, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Criteria for inclusion in the list[edit]

What are the criteria for inclusion in the list of "members" of the 27 Club? There have been several previous discussions about this -- they can be found in the archived talk pages -- and the consensus was that a musician or other person does not have to be notable, in the Wikipedia sense, to be listed here. But they do have to be specifically referred to in a third-party reference as a member of the 27 Club. I would favor a more inclusive approach, but that's what most editors preferred. Mudwater (Talk) 12:10, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Besides, the Wikipedia definition of "notable" defines who qualifies to have an article on them. It should not be used as a criteria for who can be mentioned within an article. We also shouldn't use having an article within the English language Wikipedia as the sole criteria, a person can be notable outside of the anglosphere. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 21:58, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
I believe the most extensive discussion of this question can be found at Talk:27 Club/Archive 4#RfC: Should there be two lists of musicians or one, and who should be included?. (That's an archived discussion, so please add any new comments here and not there.) Mudwater (Talk) 00:06, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2018[edit]

Remove Freaky Tah from list, as he was 26 when he was murdered. Theblackestmoo (talk) 14:29, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Not done - according to his obit here he was 27 - Arjayay (talk) 15
59, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Machine Gun Kelly has a song called 27 off his album Bloom[edit]

see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom_(Machine_Gun_Kelly_album) ,its the last song on the albumn — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:14D:8201:D565:5BA:DAFF:5FF7:463D (talk) 15:10, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Nika Turbina[edit]

Please insert the lovely poet https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nika_Turbina — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.36.88.210 (talk) 11:22, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 March 2018[edit]

Addition of Simon Carpentier, singer and cofounding member of French pop duet Her, died at age 27 on 13th August 2017 https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/her-interview-french-band-victor-solf-album-stream-simon-carpentier-a8281491.html https://sivertimes.com/who-is-simon-carpentier-a-friend-of-louane-and-the-lead-singer-of-the-group-her-death-from-cancer-at-the-age-of-27-gala/64239 Lenyclarke (talk) 12:24, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:53, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Aaron Hernandez?[edit]

It's been over a year. He was more infamous than famous, but he was known and died at 27. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kanousei24 (talkcontribs) 01:37, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Because the 27 Club only applies to musicians and actors, athletes like Aaron Hernandez are not included. -Kevinmuniz115 (talk) 16:25, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Thuy Trang edit request on 7 July 2018[edit]

Please add the name "Thuy Trang" to the list of 27 club members, she was born 17 Dec, 1973. Died 3 Sept, 2001. Cause of death: car accident, her claim to fame was playing the role of the yellow ranger in the original "Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers" TV series. She lived 27 years and 270 days

Source links:

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0870962/bio https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/6402207/thuy-trang MedievalLoserCatholicHobo (talk) 18:16, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. IMDB is not a reliable source.  LeoFrank  Talk 06:13, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

References in music[edit]

Frank Ocean sings in "Nights" the line "no white lighters til I fuck my 28th up"