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Welcome to Canada[edit]

Gov. Pub. : http://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2013/cic/Ci4-60-1-2013-eng.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.123.177.222 (talk) 19:00, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

  • Which helps us improve this article how? Bearcat (talk) 22:56, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Nope. "External links" is not for linkfarming a giant directory of every piece of web content we can find that contains any information about Canada at all — this article doesn't need any new external links that aren't already present, and even some of the ones that are already present should be pruned as not relevant. ("Key development forecasts"? BBC News directory of all their Canada-related news coverage?) Bearcat (talk) 18:45, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
  • It's not link farming. WP:ELYES makes it clear that we should link to "sites that contain neutral and accurate material that is relevant to an encyclopedic understanding of the subject and cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues, amount of detail (such as professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks), or other reasons." That describes the PDF. Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:55, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Yeah, the rule being one or maybe two sites that meet all of those criteria, not eleventeen squillion. Linkfarming is in effect as soon as the number of external links equals or exceeds three. Bearcat (talk) 04:59, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
  • An official government website that describes the nation in unambiguous terms is not a linkfarm link. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:10, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
  • Linkfarming is not a question of the type of links — it has nothing whatsoever to do with whether the links are good or bad ones, because both good and bad links can still be linkfarming links. Linkfarming is a question of the number of links, which is not normally supposed to exceed two, not an assessment of their quality or lack thereof. LINKYES helps you select the best one or two external links — it does not itself create an exemption from the prescribed upper limit on the number of external links an article needs to have. Bearcat (talk) 06:03, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
It is not neutral. It says nothing about negative aspects of Canada, and its target readership is immigrants to Canada. Doubtful that most readers plan to move there and if they do, they would go to an article about immigration to Canada. TFD (talk) 10:36, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Why has the coat of arms been removed?[edit]

And also the mp3 files of the anthems? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.245.18.108 (talk) 02:57, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

See #Royal Arms. and Talk:Canada/Archive 22# Add anthem OGG in infobox--Moxy (talk) 02:58, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Consensus is that the free coat doesn't look "right" and the other one we have access to is copyrighted and can't be used here.
"O Canada" is linked and there has been contention about that as well. "God Save the Queen" isn't really an anthem performed in public any longer, except when entertaining royalty or a representative of the queen (unlike prior to 1982, when it was the national anthem and was generally performed alongside "O Canada"). Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:10, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2018[edit]

Please add the Canadian Coat of Arms beside the flag at the top of the page. 137.122.64.159 (talk) 18:10, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Do you have one we can use? There are two options (discussed above and in the archives). The one, which is the correct coat, is copyrighted and cannot be used on this article. The other one, which may be correct in terms of heraldry, has been excluded for use in the article because it does not look sufficiently familiar to Canadians. So unless you have one that closely resembles the legal coat, we have decided, as a project, not to include one. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:14, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

The Canadian chief justice is a leader?[edit]

It's not clear why the chief justice would be included alongside other leaders. The monarch of Canada is Canada's official leader, by law, or de jure. Next is the Governor General. The de facto leader is the Prime Minister, and there is an order of succession within government, but I do not understand under which rules the chief justice would become the leader of the nation. @Jmcollier: do you care to explain or are you happy not to make edits like this again? Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:47, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

To be fair, I just checked five other countries which have "supreme" courts to see how they handled it — and three of them, the United States, Australia and Germany, do include the Chief Justice in the infobox in this manner, while New Zealand and the United Kingdom do not, so it's a common though by no means a universal thing for country articles to do. But the judicial system is a branch of government, so its leader does have a valid claim to being considered a leader of the country — certainly not in the same sense that Justin Trudeau and Lizzy Windsor are, but still the leader of a coequal branch of government. And, in fact, should Julie Payette die in office or resign suddenly before the end of her term, then do you know who immediately becomes the acting governor general until Justin Trudeau can find or appoint a new permanent one? The Chief Justice. (It's even actually happened in Canadian history. Twice.) So there are valid grounds to consider him a "leader", and that is done in many (though not all) other countries' articles as well — so please keep any discussion on the level of the reasons why we should or shouldn't include it, rather than criticizing other editors for having a different but valid opinion. Bearcat (talk) 22:23, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
Shall I self-revert while we discuss? Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:35, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
I'm not concerned about that, or even all that interested in expressing a personal opinion either way about whether we should or not. I'm concerned only about the way in which you phrased your original post as if Jmcollier was objectively wrong, rather than just possessed of a different opinion than yours. Bearcat (talk) 22:37, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
Understood. I clearly did not know, which is why it was restored after being removed. No edit summary was provided so I was left without a reason, but you have provided a valid one. I should have explained it was the lack of reason that was problematic. Not sure I explained it well though. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:57, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
Info-boxes are supposed provide key information readers for readers. The Supreme Court of Canada does not have the same high profile as it does in the U.S. Neither does the speaker of the lower house for that matter. If we decide to include it however, we should ensure that the number of office-holders does not become excessive. And yeah the fact that the Chief Justice is the deputy Governor General and its historical roots in the governor hearing appeals from Canadian courts is interesting but not that important to the overall topic. TFD (talk) 00:14, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
Have no clue why we would list Court system of Canada officials under Government of Canada ....they are not one and the same ....bet you 100 bucks there in the other articles because one editor spammed them all over.--Moxy (talk) 02:35, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
If it's true that they have acted a GG in rare exceptions, and the constitution makes the claim, then it would make sense to do so. That should be explained with references in the article though. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:02, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
Also, when they are unavailable, each of the other justices can serve as deputy governor general. Should we include them all? And can 1 in 10 Canadians name the governor general or supreme court chief justice? TFD (talk) 05:14, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
Can they? Is there a source to support that they can, in lack of availability of the chief justice, and demise of the GG, be acting GG? Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:18, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Isn't the court system of Canada independent from Parliament? If it is, you're leaving out the leader of an entire branch of Canadian governance and I simply don't see why. - Bokmanrocks01 (talk) 06:30, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

If the court system is independent, they are not part of government. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:59, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
"Government" has three branches: legislative (Parliament), executive (Queen Lizzy → Julie Payette) and judicial (the courts). They serve different roles within the structure of governance, but are all coequal branches of government. Bearcat (talk) 13:15, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
Box is for executive branch (in Canada's case elected ministers) the many others ones like Judiciary branch are appointed. The problem is that this has been spamed all over..... think we should take this up a level community-wide and see if we should remove these all over.--Moxy (talk) 22:31, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
The term government has several meanings, one of which considers the executive, legislature and judiciary as part of the government. (See Separation of powers.) That does not mean leaders of all three branches should be in the info-box, it depends on how significant their roles are seen. Chief Justice Roberts and Speaker Ryan are high profile and powerful, Chief Justice Wagner and Speaker Regan much less so. TFD (talk) 03:37, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
I agree with both statements: we should take it up a level (or even two) and I don't think it belongs in the infobox, at least not for Canada. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:34, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Canada in French IPA[edit]

The lead lists [kanadɑ] as the French pronunciation of "Canada". Technically speaking, [kanada] is the French pronunciation, and [kanadɑ] is the Canadian French pronunciation. I suggest the lead reads "Canadian French" as opposed to "French" (as it once did). What do you think? It's just a minor detail (to give more accurate information), so I'm just being technical here. Israell (talk) 13:44, 12 July 2018 (UTC)