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Her Unique Thoughts[edit]

Maybe it should be mentioned that unlike all of the other characters, Cordy verbalized her thoughts essentially verbatim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.253.191.171 (talk) 08:57, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

I guess you missed this part of the article in the Characterization section:
"One of Cordelia's strongest traits, her honesty, is also highlighted in "Earshot", where Buffy temporarily develops telepathic powers and can hear the thoughts of her friends, who avoid her to hide these thoughts. For Cordelia however, "her thought processes and actual utterances are completely identical" and because of this she embodies an "antithesis of female self-sacrifice" in these years but also "the opposite of the kind of hypocrisy that is typically attributed to women."[22] Writer Jennifer Cruise interprets this as Cordelia's "lack of depth" becoming "her strength". She does not mean to argue that Cordelia is stupid however, pointing out "Cordy's solipsism could easily be mistaken for stupidity, but it comes coupled with a keen intelligence and a fixity of purpose that makes her almost invincible."[23]"
 Paul  730 09:04, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Astral Projection[edit]

While it was obviously something like an astral projection, I'm not sure that is the proper term. She was clearly corporeal throughout the episode, with people and things touching her. Spike drank her blood, and Angel made out with her. Re-think word choice if possible.


No evidence this was astral projection. In fact, given the theme of the season and later events with Connor, it is more likely that Cordelia did, in fact, wake up and the rest was an alteration of reality/the perceptions of those who encountered her. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.159.233 (talk) 21:06, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Length of Article[edit]

Does an article on basically a character in a Trash-TV series have to be so long?

After all, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" isn't "Roots" or "Star Trek".

Trash-TV? On what grounds? 24.14.120.92 10:56, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Obviously yes. You found it necessary to click on the Cordelia Chase link for some information on the character, so yes it does have to be so long.

Cordelia's Death[edit]

When did the "persona" of Cordelia actually die? --MagicPath111 04:36, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

In the episode Benediction, she ascended to a become a higher being, thus losing her humanity. When she appeared in season four, it was either as a higher being (episode 4x01-03), as an amneatic Cordelia (episode 04x04-06), as a form of Jasmine or unconscious (episode 4x17 and onwards). the last time she appeares is as a solid astral being. Her persona died when she ascended into a higher being.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.200.165.154 (talkcontribs)

amneatic? amnesiac? amniotic? ;) —Tamfang (talk) 05:21, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Original Research Re: Jasmine[edit]

Does someone bolder than I want to clean-up the Jasmine sections? There seems to be a large amount of nonfactual information about how Cordelia was effected. For instance "It manipulates her sympathy for Connor and terror at the impending apocalypse to make her sleep with him" We have no idea if this is true, there may not have been anything of Cordelia present at the point. A large part of the material on Jasmine's effect seems like pure guesswork.--Nalvage 20:30, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm idly thinking about rewriting some of the article to deal with the problem mentioned above. As it stands it provides info about Jasmine that we don't learn until later, which results in the writer having to give their own retroactive interpretation of how it fitted in. Maybe it'd be better if the info was given more in the manner it was revealed on the show. If anyone minds/cares, let me know. --Nalvage 07:02, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that the info should be revealed in the same way as the show, because although Season 4 is amazing, it's also a total headache that involves lots of back tracking. I think that the "fallen power" should be referred to as Jasmine from the begining of this section, for clarity's sake.

This is the whole Jasmine deal as far as I understand it:

  • "Welcome to the Hellmouth" - "Tomorrow" - 100% real Cordy, accept no substitutes.
  • "Tomorrow" - "House Always Wins" - Still Cordy, just Higher Being.
  • "House Always Wins" - "Spin the Bottle" - Real Cordy, with no memories, Jasmine dormant.
  • "Spin the Bottle" - "Inside Out" - Jasmine in Cordy's body, with Cordy's memories, Cordy dormant.
  • "Inside Out" - "You're Welcome" - Real Cordy in coma.

Don't know if that's helpful, but sometimes seeing it all laid out in seperate sections helps me understand stuff.

Cordelia's Birthday[edit]

Cordy's birthday is often incorrectly given as May 22. This incorrect date comes from a misinterpretation of the events of the episode "The Prodigal" in which they get an alarm for the office, and Cordy suggests that they use her birthday as the deactivation code. We later see that the code they chose was 0522.

But the actual dialog goes:

Cordy: Come on. The installation guy said it should be something easy to remember, like - my birthday.

Angel: I don't know your birthday.
Cordy: Yeah, tell me something that you don't know that I *don't* know. But after eleven and a half months of punching it into this, you won't have any excuses.

Which says that Cordy's birthday had been a couple of weeks ago, and Angel didn't give her anything for it.

I think that they chose a different date for the code; one that would be significant to them all: The day they blew up Sunnydale High.


Cordy's birthday is in December, 1980. "Birthday" aired in January, but there are references to Christmas being in the future in it.

(1980 because she's taking Driver Ed in "Witch", and has her license by "Prophecy Girl" so it can't be later than that, and I don't see Cordy waiting over a year to start taking driving lessons, so it can't be earlier than that either.) Don Sample 18:19, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


Unless she was held back, Cordelia would have had to have been born in 1981 in order to graduate in 1999. 198.166.41.238 23:33, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

A birthdate in December 1980 still has her 17 at the start of her senior year, and graduating when she was 18. (She would have started kindergarten at the age of 5. Under California rules her birthday would have to be before December 2 to have entered a year earlier.) Don Sample 09:36, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

New Picture[edit]

She looks so cute in that new picture somebody put up! Woohoo! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.200.165.75 (talk) 19:24, 8 February 2007 (UTC).

I prefer the old one with the katana. She looked cooler in that one, can't somebody put it back up? Paul730 03:58, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

JPG[edit]

Why in the world does someone keep replacing the jpg with a png? It drives me freaking crazy. I went out of my way to get an exact copy of the image in JPEG form, and BetaCommandBot keeps telling me it's going to be deleted. This picture was on the "Needs to be JPEG" list. I don't want to assume bad faith, but it seems that png-elitist keeps coming through. And just to make sure I don't have to deal with deletion anymore:

Image:CordeliaChase.jpg -- trlkly 13:23, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Update: Apparently the reverter did comment on this subject in the summary of his edit. I keep forgetting to check there. He wanted to know why I replaced the image with one of "inferior quality". I did so because this image was listed as one that would better be served as a JPEG. JPEG seems to be the prefered format for screenshots on Wikipedia. I may have erred on making the image too bright, since I have been having problems with my monitor, but that can easily be remedied.

(undent)If you have any counter arguments for keeping the PNG, I suggest you put them here. Also, the PNG is scheduled to be deleted in 7 days or so, so I suggest you figure out the appropriate way to prevent this, as I had to do for the JPEG.

The PNG has been deleted, so I guess this discussion is moot.

-- trlkly 10:28, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Cordelia Bewitched.JPG[edit]

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Relationship: Dennis?[edit]

Should Dennis the Ghost be in the Romantic Relationships section? They are roommates and there is suggestion of a physical connection between them as Cordelia slips to Wesley and Angel in the Season 3 Episode, "Waiting in the Wings". --121.219.103.204 (talk) 14:37, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

In universe[edit]

We definitely need a more out-of-universe style for this article, more like the one for Wesley Wyndam-Pryce. I found this interview that has David Greenwalt and Charisma Carpenter's thoughts on Cordelia. I'll hopefully be back to work the info in, but it would be great if anyone wants to get started on it now. --Kweeket Talk 22:34, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

New Picture[edit]

Until the poster completes the fair use rational for the picture s/he uploaded, I'm putting the other one back. If this is fixed, I would love to have the new image, but I don't know enough about it to tag it myself. Of course, I'm not sure current Wikipedia policy allows publicity photos. Screenshots have been the standard for a while.

If we can't use the awesome new picture, and you still don't like the original, those of you have a DVD of an episode can find a better one. Anyways, I'm off to inform the poster of my work. -- trlkly 03:52, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Cordy Cleanup[edit]

The article looks good. I'm going to go through and clean some things up, but I'll leave comments here on things that a little too big or require primary editor attention.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 17:04, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

  1. Citations will need to be placed in the "TV" and "Lit" section of the article. I know it seems dumb, but if there is one thing I've learned from all of the character articles I've worked on it's that people like to see specific episode citations to verify every event that is mentioned in the section. They also like for there to be specific episode/season identifiers mentioned in the sentences themselves. So, instead of presenting the information as a historical event, say, "In 'Out of Mind, Out of Sight', Cordelia....". This can sometimes get repetitive, so switch up the word play (e.g. In the season one episode..., In season two's..., In the episode..., etc). - I'll leave any c/eing alone in those sections till all that is taken care of, this way I don't screw up anything.
  2. Be careful of peacock and weasel words. I've been noticing both in the articles as I've been reading.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Don't worry about the episode citations, we fully intend to add them, it's just boring and time-consuming. :P As for the weasel words, it's pretty common opinion that Cordy was originally a bitch and became a hero, so that's probably why it's presented as fact. It's a little POV so you're right, it should be sourced and won't be difficult to do so.  Paul  730 17:10, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Words like 'bitch' and 'hero' are used within the episodes themselves, within reviews and also all the academic material thankfully. They are objective fact. But yes, episode citations (and general citation clean up) is a big job still to do.~ZytheTalk to me! 15:57, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
But because it's a POV term, it would still need a source. If you want to cite an episode, that's cool, but I would still put the word in quotation and, if you use an episode, then use the "quote" feature in the template and put in the dialogue exchange between the characters that use the term.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:45, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Powers and Abilities[edit]

Rather then continue the beginning edit-war, shall we keep the Powers and Abilities section? My reasoning is there is one for just about every other BtVS/Angel character, and that information is not easily elucidated from the article. Allan5366 (talk) 12:12, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Good article nomination[edit]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Cordelia Chase/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
    Generally looks good. I've made some tweaks here and there, but what I noticed in the plot section was that specific episodes were not identified for specific events. For instance, it talks about Cordy dating Xander and then breaking up with him, but it should identify the episodes where these two events take place. It kind of insinuates that these events take place in the same episode. The same goes for the rest of the section. There are some instances where this is done, but it seems to be inconsistent on the page.
    Cordelia dating Xander is a season length arc, not something that occurs within an episode or two. I identified the episode where she breaks up with him though.  Paul  730 23:04, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
    I get that. I meant more like the episode it starts and when it ends (you've covered the later).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:44, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
    The bit about "The Wish", it isn't followed up and just seems random. I think either explaining the outcome, or just dropping it altogether is necessary.
    Removed "The Wish" info.  Paul  730 23:04, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
    "...a demon causes Cordelia's visions to overwhelm her and upon her recovery,..." - Could this be elaborated on? I don't understand what is meant by "overwhelm her".
    I gave a little more detail, is that more clear?  Paul  730 23:04, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
    Connor, Jake and Trenton Tupen" - ?? I assume two infants portrayed the baby, but is it supposed to be "Jake Connor"?
    They were triplets.  Paul  730 23:04, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
    Quick note: There needs to be a consistent style for the sources. I saw some that were in a citation template and others that were not.
    The quote from Cordy in the characteristics section seems to be being used in an OR fashion. For instance, in Michael Myers (Halloween), the quote from Loomis is there because it's directly linked to what Carpenter had felt when he visited a mental institution. There doesn't appear to be a clear link to any text here. The same for the quote at the end, of Cordy's final appearance. There's nothing, that I could see, that linked to the text to justify why it was there.
    Removed those quotes.  Paul  730 23:04, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
    I resized the infobox image to more inline with appropriate sizes (which is generally below 400px). I wonder, is there a better image for Cordelia? The one here is a little out of focus. Here is one I found from her Buffy days, though I'm sure there could be others. Just a suggestion.
    That was one of the first decent screenshots I found when Zythe rewrote the article a while back. It was only meant as a temporary replacement for the far inferior image that was currently there. I'll look for another one.  Paul  730 23:04, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:
Something I wanted to point out. I think that there should be more paraphrasing and less direct quotes, or at least smaller chunks. As I was reading I found that where were quotes that were almost a paragraph (or half a paragraph) long. There should be less of a reliance on direct quotes and more on paraphrasing what a person is saying. Sometimes a particular description cannot be paraphrased, but when I was reading there was not a lot of that problem that I could see.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:58, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
I took care of the remaining issue (which was identify each of the episodes those plot points were coming from), because it was small. This GAN should have been closed a month ago. But, now that that has been taken care of I can close it.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 04:08, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Jeez, I really kept meaning to do this but I've been overworked lately because of Mods exams so thank you very much! ~ZytheTalk to me! 13:51, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Cordy's age[edit]

I think the birth date of Cordelia_Chase from Buffy_the_Vampire_Slayer_(TV_series) and Angel_(TV_series) should be added in her article. I know she 21 in the episode of angel Birthday_(Angel). So her birthday must be January 14, 1981. Neptunekh2 (talk) 03:53, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Neptune, Cordelia is a fictional character and unless you know what date it was supposed to be in the episode you are referring to, we cannot know her birth date. The fact that the show aired on January 14, 2002, in the real world, has absolutely no relevance to the events portrayed in the episode you are referring too. Please do not add this information. CaptainScreebo Parley! 21:40, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

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