Talk:End of Days (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)

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Tagged as such, because... The article, as it stands, goes on about the silliness of deus ex machina devices in action and actually actively questions the storyline. Which is plausible, but this place isn't really about opinion/analysis, is it? Examples:

  • This begs the question of how Caleb got in before she did, and why the mystical woman didn't notice him. Also, why can't Angel, Caleb or Buffy sense Spike anymore?
  • Given the fact that the mystical woman waited thousands of years in a closed pyramid, her English is spectacular.
  • Unfortunately, the information she gives Buffy is terrible; the knight in "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade" did far better in a comparable situation.
  • In the next episode, Chosen, Angel will show up with an amulet that Lilah just happened to give him back home in Los Angeles in the episode Home -- a deus ex machina in the true sense of the word this time.
  • "I don't understand. How is it possible that we didn't know any of this." -- Buffy joining our disbelief.

And so on. I'd rewrite it myself, but I'm on the drowzy side, so I'll handle it later. Is this okay with everyone? Zeppocity 19:54, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Have you seen the other Buffy episode articles? This isn't the only one to slip off the NPOV rules. There's a rather needless Writing and acting section that's featured in most of them that seem to serve as a means to give an essay over the particular episode. POV very much. I think someone with enough free time should go in and remove these from the articles because they are not encylopedic - at least not in the way they're currently written --Bacteria 09:11, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
I know, I know, and I agree. I think the section might be salvaged if we convert it into a space for pointing out some of the ongoing plot points or continuity details (which it does not, on occasion), but then, wouldn't this be covered just fine with a Continuity section, and as it is, it's just... wrong. Very much so. I'll try and get to them when I have the chance, and well, it'd be nice if you did too. :) Zeppocity 14:30, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
I think you are absolutely right about this episode, but I am slightly confused about Bacteria's comments - are you suggesting we do away with "Writing and acting"? And should we avoid using colloquialisms like those evident in this page? NP Chilla 18:19, 28 December 2005

I have attempted to convert the problematic parts to a more balanced or neutral form while keeping what I feel to be a legit comment on the story's plot -- let's face it, in the last few episodes of Buffy, the plot really is ramrodded down the viewer's throat via those "deus" devices instead of ticking along like a clockwork (see season six). I also left the fact that the mystical woman can speak English, as the series usually comments on obvious language problems (see Buffy's visit to the three wise men in this season). I don't see the Writing and Acting section called into question at all, by the way. There should be a section to remark on those things in a balanced (!) way.

As this makes most of the comments here redundant, somebody should probably erase the after a while

-- 17:58, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

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