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This article is about the Saurashtra as a language and more importance should be given to the language instead of giving importance to the people. The facts about the "saurashtra People" should be showcased in the article Sourashtra people. --Fly fly fly (talk) 18:55, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
I've removed some of the sections I had added earlier, those being commonly used phrases, numbers and days of the week. Though a native Sourashtra speaker, I don't see myself as speaking the "authentic" Madurai dialect since my language may have influences from the Dindigul dialect, which my mom speaks, for this reason, I don't think it's right for me to add these sections. However, if I'm able to validate my earlier additions, I'll be happy to put them back. ~elviajero (talk · contribs), Jul 8, 2005
- 1 Article needs Complete Revamp
- 2 History of Sourashtrians
- 3 Geographical Distribution
- 4 Sourashtrian Settlements
- 5 Loanwords
- 6 Renowned People
- 7 Saurashtra language template
- 8 Sourashtra Vijayaaptham year
- 9 Caste composition
Article needs Complete Revamp
There is a lot of stuff to be revamped in this article, the article has numerous repititions of facts which needs to be removed. The sections which speaks about the Saurashtra people should be moved to the article Sourashtra people, some of the details are too detailed which are not required for a wiki page. I wish the cooperation of all the saurashtrian people for cleaning up this page. I request people of Saurashtrian community to contribute to this page by correcting facts and also by adding legitimate and authentic facts. --Fly fly fly (talk) 18:55, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
History of Sourashtrians
I have read that they who were/are weavers silk saris belonged to Patan (medieval capital of Gujarat who is famous for Patola silk saris), from there, some people moved to Paithan in Maharashtra which is also famous for Paithani Silk saris. And, from there went south as stated in Main Article.
I have added a new paragraph on Tirupati Sourashtrians. Though I have heard of their presence in Tirupati, only recently did I come across a sociology article that researches on the marital and social networks of the migrant population in Andhra Pradesh. Here's the link: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3659/is_199512/ai_n8727823/pg_4. The name Sourashtra doesn't find any mention, but it does refer to a trans-migrant weaving community known as Pattusali or saurastrian brahmins and that they migrated from Gujarat. I read a couple of more articles that prove that Pattusali indeed refers to the Sourashtra community, but I don't recall the links at the moment. I will try to include more citation as and when I get them.
Someone had changed the Sourashtra population in Madurai to one-tenth, as someone from Madurai, I know this is far from true. Although there are no official figures to substantiate, it's widely agreed that Sourashtrians constitute about 20 - 25% of Madurai's population. A visit to Madurai and you could see it for yourself! :) We have had a discussion on this in Madurai discussion page. Anyone who disagrees please leave a comment here.
Elviajero 20:08, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I have also deleted the paragraph on sir names, it appears they meant surnames or family names by that. Nothing more is elaborated, but I could see new family names being added by the day. I don't think this is a healthy practice as it's more like advertising family names.
Elviajero 20:15, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I apologize for having had to delete this section, it only had a few lines on Kottar Sourashtrians, and wasn't very cohesive either. We could well have this section, but then we should describe a bit on all Sourashtrian settlements, not just Kottar, after all, I think it's rather unjust to leave out Madurai, Thanjavur, Salem, orissa, andhra pradesh and gujrat where the major chunk of Sourashtrians live.
Elviajero 20:08, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I expected people from each settlement to add few lines about their town city and what sourashtrians have done in their town, it is not that difficult to know about sourashtrians in Madurai and Tanjavur. As u said about Thirupathi sourashtrian, it is important we document and propogate the facts about the lesser known settlements instead of talking about Madurai !
I have changed the "words common in other languages" section as "Loanwords in Saurashtra", the words in Hindi and Marathi are real Saurashtra Words and they were not derived from them. I see no point in listing the words common with hindi and marati. If we start listing all the words common in Hindi and Saurashtra, then we will end up with almost all the words in Saurashtra. Instead there are these loanwords from telugu which were already listed and those are the words which were not in Saurashtra language in its original form and were added because of telugu influence on our migration to south India. Please list words only from the dravidian languages which were taken into Saurashtra. --Fly fly fly (talk) 18:55, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
To make the article comply to the standards, I have deleted the biography part of the people in this section, the best thing to do is to create new articles about each of these people and link the corresponding page to this section.
It would be highly appreciated if new articles were created about these people with enough information available.
The Biographies of the following people are removed
- KLN Krishnan
- Narasimha Mehta @ Narsi Mehta
For your reference these are the deleted portions from the article
- Tamil actor: T.K.Ramachandran [Tiruchy Krishnan Ramachandran(Perform his acting in Parasakthi, Vanghikottai valiban and more)]
- Tamil actor: K.K.Perumal(dasma kombakkonam krishnaiyar permal(perform his acting in aadhithan kannavu, illara jothi, dhivan bagadur and more)his elder son K.P.Adhithan settled in palayankottai and younger son k.p.chandra sekaran M.A,M.ed settled in pattukkotai.
- K L N Krishnan
K.L.N. Krishnan born in the year of revolution on 01-01-1918, an Industrialist trained in Japan, he is the Founder of jet pump industry, first in India. He runs a number of industries in the field of Pumps, Rubber, Steel, Foundry, etc, he is the District Commissioner Scouts since last 30 years, still continues. Awardee Survaloga Seva Ratna awarded by Kanchi Kamakotee Peetam Sankaracharya. Past President of Sourashtra college for 15 years, Founder President of K.L. Nagaswamy Memorial Sourashtra Polytechnic Council, he is the Chairman of Apex Association of Indo-Canadian Institutional Co-operation project sponsored by Government of India in Tamil Nadu Ploytechnic, Madurai. President of Institute of Social Science, Madurai. Former Senate Member of Madurai Kamaraj University, Madurai. Past President of Rotary Club of Madurai West and Governor group representative, he continues to serve the society in regard to Education particularly higher Technical Education in the most backward district of Pasumpon Muthuramalingam District in Tamil Nadu by bringing a College of Engineering to serve the society at large.
Kali kala Sarvagna Hemchandracharya made extraordinary contribution for a long spell of seven decades to varied fields like poetry and grammar, history and puran, yoga and spiritual knowledge, lexicon and poetics, renunciation and penance, self-restraint and self-discipline and the state welfare and popular welfare. During the last 1000 years, there is no other personality that can match his saintliness and literary output.
- Narasimha Mehta @ Narsi Mehta
Considered to be the foremost poet-saint of Gujarat, Narsi Mehta’s (A.D. 1414-1480) songs (padas) are full of devotion of Lord Krsna. They describe in a most vivid and passionate manner the early life of Krsna, his love-play with the Gopis of Gokula and the basic philosophy of early bhakti cult. Narsi Mehta’s style is both simple and moving, and consequently the impact of his songs can still be felt in the villages of Saurashtra (Gujarat) where they have become part of the folk tradition.
“Besides being a poet, devotee and saint, Narsi Mehta was also a social reformer. Though born as an orthodox Nagar Brahmin, he was one of the strongest critics of the caste system and its evils, his naturally sensitive and loving nature revolted against the treatment of untouchables by his castemen. Narsi knew no caste distinctions; he looked upon all human beings as the children of Hari (Harijana).
”A hundred songs, representative of Narsi Mehta’s philosophy, social message and the portrayal of love-play between Radha and Krsna (Radha-Krsna lila) are for the first time translated into simple and direct English verse.”
Based on his literature work, Modern Gujarati language born from old dialects of Sourashtra.
Sursinhji Takthasinhji Gohel – A Renowned Gujarati Poet known as Kavi Kalapi, needs no introduction.
He was a King of Lathi-Gohilwad-Saurashtra- Gujarat and is alive in people’s heart as Kavi Kalapi.
Kavi Kalapi lived a short but memorable and valued life – Born on 26-01-1874, left the world on
09-06-1900 i.e. a life of 26 years, 5 months and 11 days.
Poet Kalapi’s life was short but his creation was immense and enormous, he penned down 259 poems including 15,000 verses in such a short span of life. Besides, he has also given us varied number of Prose’s, his 900 letters to his friends, and wives brings in front of us the facts and truth. He not only used Gujarati language as his medium to elaborate his own creation but also translated two great English Novels in Gujarati. More than 500 books in Gujarati, English, Farsi & Sanskrit were widely read by this great poet. All of this creation, reading, study and achievements were packed by him during the period of his age from 16 years to 26 years. i.e. in just a span of 10 years
- VenkataRama Bhagavatar (Direct Shishya and Descendant of great sangeetha kirthana composer Thiagarajar Swamigal)
- Poornagiri Siri Sri Subramania Swami (Shisya of Ramana Maharishi)
- "Madurai Gandhi" N. M.R. Subburaam, ex-parliament member
- K. A. Venkatraman, Editor of "Kovai Mani" & Freedom Fighter in Madurai, Displine of M.R. Subburaam ex.,parliament member
Saurashtra language template
If you are a native speaker of Saurashtra then you can help translate this template into your own language:
Sourashtra Vijayaaptham year
The reason for using 1312 is to be figured out and included in the main section.