Template talk:American Civil War
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Rationale and usage guidelines
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This section records the rationale for American Civil War inclusions or omissions, it is obvious that this large menu could become dramatically larger and unusable if new entries are added without discrimination. We would like to establish the precedent that any changes to the menu are discussed in this Talk page prior to implementation.
General Usage: This list is exclusively for active Wikimedia article and category links. Do not include external URLs. Do not include red links (Wikipedia articles that have not been written yet). Links to stubs and multiple redirects to the same article are discouraged.
Rationale for the major headings in the menu:
- Issues & Combatants
- The subcategories Prelude and Slavery should be pretty obvious. The Combatants are intended to be only the "countries" and their highest level armies and navies. We cannot afford to include military units smaller than this (e.g., regional armies, corps, regiments).
- Theaters & Campaigns
- The Theaters are those named by the five articles plus the Union naval blockade. The Campaigns are those that have articles written about them, since there are no campaign articles describing, say, the Battle of Chancellorsville or the Battle of Fredericksburg, these battles are covered only in the following section. If new campaign articles are written (and they are not simply redirects), they will be legitimate additions to this subcategory.
- Major Battles
- In our judgment, the current list represents the most important battles of the war, with unique strategic or political consequences. Please discuss any proposed changes to this list here in the Talk page, citing your justification, before editing the menu.
- Key CSA Leaders
- The Confederate leaders are listed before the United States leaders because of alphabetical order and to give them a gray background. The Military leaders selected commanded major armies or corps, were cavalry leaders with strategic significance, or in a few cases (Gorgas, Cooper) had important positions in CSA headquarters. There is also the single most important naval captain, this list will quickly become useless if people add their favorite commanders, ancestors, or movie characters at lower levels in the hierarchy.
- Key USA Leaders
- The United States leaders come second so that they can have a blue background. The Military leaders are those with the highest positions in the Army and Navy, with only a few exceptions. Hunt had unique significance as an artillery leader. Meigs is included for the same reason as Gorgas, the same warning about adding favorite commanders applies.
- This row is limited to significant social and political articles about the postbellum era, with demonstrable links to the war.
- Other Topics
- This row is difficult to characterize. New entries or subcategories should not be added without discussion on the Talk page, the State involvement subcategory is intended only for comprehensive articles, such as the current entries.
- This row is intended to include, indirectly, all of the smaller units and biographies not explicitly named above. Please do not include subcategories of categories that are already in this list without discussion on the Talk page.
- Obvious. Please do not change.
Excessive detail in campaigns and battles sections
Recently an editor has inserted massive amounts of what I consider trivia into this template. We've got very minor battles, duplicate links and now a very arcane and space intensive indexing timeline, as one of the editors who shepherded this template from its first minutes, I feel responsible to help keep it on track. The original idea was to create a quick reference for the most important links, not a comprehensive listing of every minor scrape. We can link to articles which list such skirmishes. I disagree with most of these changes and intend to revert many of them. I'm creating this discussion space for use if/when that editor objects to my reversions. BusterD (talk) 16:01, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
- I understand your concerns. I noticed in passing the addition of "Arkansas 1861–65", shoehorning a whole bunch of conflations into a "Campaign" made up from whole cloth. Mojoworker (talk) 04:25, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
@Anaphysik, The Banner, and BusterD: do/should the states represent the situation at the time of the ACW (as those of us who reverted Anaphysik were thinking), or the current states (which seems to be Anaphysik's view)? Using the modern postal abbreviations for the states seems to point to the latter but I thought it might bear discussion. This whole template is kind of a mess... Thoughts? Mojoworker (talk) 22:44, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
- My own concern was a links to a disambiguation page. That is solved by now. 22:49, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
Automatic expansion doesn't seem to work anymore
Per headline. Adding in "Origins" as an argument doesn't appear to make the infobox section automatically expand, at least not in Chrome nor Edge. Any idea on what's causing this? SnowFire (talk) 07:15, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
Linking Alaska to the CSS Shenandoah?
After taking this link, and reading through I sort of realize why they did so, but the word "Alaska" isn't anywhere in the article on the CSS Shenandoah, how can we improve this?Naraht (talk) 14:35, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
- I see neither Alaska nor the CSS Shenandoah in the template ...GELongstreet (talk) 15:00, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
- Under the "Combatants Theaters Campaigns Battles States", the section for involvement by state or territory, as "AK" which is the postal abbreviation for Alaska. Note, at this point Alaska is still Russian, Hawaii has the same issue, but at least that is to an article about Hawaii and the Civil war.Naraht (talk) 15:07, 30 April 2018 (UTC)