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Sister city projects removed, been here since the template's creation in 2011[edit]

The same editor who is the only editor to remove sister city projects from templates has recently removed those projects from this one. They've been there since 2011, he uses a questionable result of an RfC to do this. As far as I know no other editor removes these extremely useful links from templates. They, eventually and with faith in common sense, will be returned. Randy Kryn 15:58, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

To Randy Kryn: It is done. Happy Holidays!  Paine Ellsworth  put'r there  18:53, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

German allies?[edit]

This template includes "German allies" under the Kingdom of Great Britain in the list of combatants. Did the states that provided mercenaries actually ally themselves with Great Britain against the revolutionaries, or did they simply lease out their troops? The article linked to suggest that an alliance was signed by Hesse-Kassel and a treaty by Anhalt-Zerbst, but this is sourced to an 1893 German publication. If the Germans only leased out troops, then at the state level, they were not participants in the war and technically not allies. If this is the case, shouldn't the template refer to them as "German mercenaries"? Factotem (talk) 20:36, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

I have no qualms with the change you suggest. Others might disagree for reasons I'll explain below, it is entirely possible this is my responsibility, but I can't be certain because of the somewhat complex way the template has evolved. I can see that on the day I moved this template from sandbox space to live template space the potential link existed exactly where it links now. I originally wanted to use the term Hessians, but after some reading decided they could not be represented as the only Germans involved. My reading was that the arrangement was at least quasi-allied; one wouldn't lease troops to potential enemies. Finally, I wouldn't have wanted to link "German mercenaries" to a pagespace section which doesn't itself include the word "mercenaries." That might violate the spirit of what we now call MOS:SUBMARINE (the MOS read a bit differently then). Even today the page watchers of Germans in the American Revolution seem to assert some form of de facto alliance. So while the troops were certainly mercenaries, there exists no article or subsection which meets appropriate link transparency. I'd be glad if I were shown to be incorrect. BusterD (talk) 21:32, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
That all seems reasonable enough. But, the link now leads to a section that says, "...several German-speaking states contracted soldiers to the British Army. Although the leasing of soldiers to a foreign power was controversial..." (my emphasis), and discusses the patriots' view of them as foreign mercenaries (though I concede that scare quotes are used, and the term may be characterised as a POV rather than a formally recognised appellation). Given that, would it be so egregious to use "mercenaries" instead of "allies" for the link? Factotem (talk) 21:40, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
I have stated my position, with my rationale and concerns. I wonder what other template shepherds might think. BusterD (talk) 21:54, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
I asked at Talk:Germans_in_the_American_Revolution#Allies_or_mercenaries?, but got no response, and no-one else has chimed in here, so I went Bold and changed "allies" to "mercenaries". Factotem (talk) 18:52, 28 May 2019 (UTC)