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Names[edit]

I have given these princesses their married names; that they all have British titles is noted by their inclusion on this template. Charles 05:46, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Proposed changes[edit]

  • Victoria, Queen of the United Kingdom to Victoria of Kent and Elizabeth II, Queen of the United Kingdom to Elizabeth, Duchess of Edinburgh (this template includes princesses, which is why queens regnant should be reffered to by their highest preregnal title; also, queens regnant of the United Kingdom shouldn't use the same format as British princesses who became queens consort of other kingdoms)
  • Victoria Melita, Grand Duchess of Hesse, Grand Duchess of Russia to either:
  1. Victoria Melita, Grand Duchess of Hesse or
  2. Victoria Melita, Grand Duchess Viktoria of Russia
  • Lady Louise Windsor to Louise of Wessex (it's pointless to include her among the princesses and yet list her as Lady Louise Windsor) Surtsicna (talk) 09:34, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
On the first point, I could concede. On the second, I was really just going for a historically-whole picture, mostly because I'm unsure which one to choose... On the third, we absolutely cannot refer to her as "Louise of Wessex" — she has never been that, and under Her Majesty's will (no less!) she is called "Lady Louise Windsor". All this talk of "Princess Louise of Wessex", both on Wikipedia and elsewhere on the internets, is just a legal fiction, because it does not matter what her "princess name" would have been, she is Lady Louise Windsor (believe me, I've seen her travelling cases waiting in Buck House's bowels, labelled "Lady Louise"). No matter whether we randomly decree as a community (overruling the Queen somehow) that she is technically a princess (and therefore include her here), she has never had a princessly title, so "Lady Louise Windsor" she must remain. Also, Prince and Princess Christian, if you aren't familiar, dropped his territorial design (of Schleswig-Holstein) in the 1917 Windsor move DBD 09:52, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
I am glad we agree on first two points. As for the third one, it is a really difficult case. I know that we shouldn't pretend to know better than Queen and other authorities. I thought it was best to either exclude her or call her Louise of Wessex if she is included, but now I've changed my mind - having her included as Lady Louise Windsor isn't so bad as I thought; as for Prince and Princess Christian, you are absolutely right about dropping their territorial designation, but it's not entirely wrong to call her Princess Christian of Schleswig-Holstein because that's the title she used for more than 50 years (bear in mind that she was simply Princess Christian for only 6 years). Anyway, the important thing is to make it clear that Helena married into the House of Oldenburg (Schleswig-Holstein branch). We cannot conclude this if her husband's name is the only given information. Surtsicna (talk) 19:48, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Ok, so Lady Louise & of S-H, then? DBD 19:56, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Yes, if it's okay with you. Surtsicna (talk) 20:06, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Oh, we forgot about Victoria Melita. I am not sure which title to choose either. Perhaps Grand Duchess of Hesse should take priority because she is best known as a British princess who married and divorced the Grand Duke of Hesse. Also, Victoria was the Grand Duchess of Hesse and later a Grand Duchess of Russia. So, shall we go for Grand Duchess of Hesse? Surtsicna (talk) 20:19, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Hesse it is, seeing as she was once The Grand Duchess consort there DBD 21:57, 4 December 2008 (UTC)