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Hello Primefac. Could you please remove me from the participants list? I've made too many errors and I have to take my responsibility. -- » Shadowowl | talk 11:21, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

 Done. Thank you for your contributions over the years. Let me know if/when you want to rejoin us. Primefac (talk) 14:24, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Pilgrim State (book)[edit]

Hi, you've just deleted the page Pilgrim State (book) due to copyright infringement. I was working on the page to fix this, can you please restore the page with the summary section removed which was the reason it failed copyright? Tanbircdq (talk) 15:40, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

From tip to tail it was copied from somewhere. The opening sentence, which was the only full sentence not copied from elsewhere, was Pilgrim State is a 2008 family memoir written by British activist Jacqueline Walker. I can either email you the content or list the infobox/references here, but I will not restore the article as-is. Primefac (talk) 15:46, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
Can you explain how exactly the "Release" and "Critical response" sections fail copyright? If this content isn't "copied from somewhere" and adapted for article then they'd be WP:OR. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tanbircdq (talkcontribs) 16:06, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
In fairness, the critical response section was properly attributed quotes, and the first sentence of the release section was not copied directly. I cannot in good faith restore the page to the article space, but I am willing to draftify it. Primefac (talk) 16:18, 1 July 2018 (UTC)


Reg this request

i want to create in english language not other because people search in hindi but i can give reference not write new english from those words — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vishalgarg85 (talkcontribs) 04:55, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Deletion of Kitronik document[edit]


I had been building a page for educational electronics company Kitronik; in June of this year, it appears that you deleted it. I have returned to finish up the document so that it complies with the points that were raised the last time it was submitted.

Has this information really been permanently deleted or is it archived in some fashion? I would like to complete the page, do you have a link to the work that I did previously.

Here is the information on my sandbox page, which was where I had the page: My Sandbox

Mark Donnison (talk) 07:45, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Mark Donnison, the page has been restored to Draft:Kitronik. Primefac (talk) 11:48, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – July 2018[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2018).


Administrator changes

added PbsouthwoodTheSandDoctor
readded Gogo Dodo
removed AndrevanDougEVulaKaisaLTony FoxWilyD

Bureaucrat changes

removed AndrevanEVula

Guideline and policy news

  • An RfC about the deletion of drafts closed with a consensus to change the wording of WP:NMFD. Specifically, a draft that has been repeatedly resubmitted and declined at AfC without any substantial improvement may be deleted at MfD if consensus determines that it is unlikely to ever meet the requirements for mainspace and it otherwise meets one of the reasons for deletion outlined in the deletion policy.
  • A request for comment closed with a consensus that the {{promising draft}} template cannot be used to indefinitely prevent a WP:G13 speedy deletion nomination.

Technical news

  • Starting on July 9, the WMF Security team, Trust & Safety, and the broader technical community will be seeking input on an upcoming change that will restrict editing of site-wide JavaScript and CSS to a new technical administrators user group. Bureaucrats and stewards will be able to grant this right per a community-defined process, the intention is to reduce the number of accounts who can edit frontend code to those who actually need to, which in turn lessens the risk of malicious code being added that compromises the security and privacy of everyone who accesses Wikipedia. For more information, please review the FAQ.
  • Syntax highlighting has been graduated from a Beta feature on the English Wikipedia. To enable this feature, click the highlighter icon (Codemirror-icon.png) in your editing toolbar (or under the hamburger menu in the 2017 wikitext editor). This feature can help prevent you from making mistakes when editing complex templates.
  • IP-based cookie blocks should be deployed to English Wikipedia in July (previously scheduled for June). This will cause the block of a logged-out user to be reloaded if they change IPs, this means in most cases, you may no longer need to do /64 range blocks on residential IPv6 addresses in order to effectively block the end user. It will also help combat abuse from IP hoppers in general, for the time being, it only affects users of the desktop interface.


  • Currently around 20% of admins have enabled two-factor authentication, up from 17% a year ago. If you haven't already enabled it, please consider doing so. Regardless if you use 2FA, please practice appropriate account security by ensuring your password is secure and unique to Wikimedia.

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:22, 3 July 2018 (UTC)


Why was the account name globally suppressed? Is there anything libelous about it? L293D ( • ) 03:09, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Revealed personal info. Primefac (talk) 11:33, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
OK, I didn't know it was personal. One of LovelyGirl7's socks posted it on Oshwah's talk page and I'm not sure if it was RevDel'd, but if it is personal info, then there's another one you'll have to globally oversight. I sent you an Email. L293D ( • ) 12:22, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
Yeahhhh... good times, right? ....... ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 12:24, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
(post-email-reading reply) There's a slight difference between a "name account" e.g. User:Joe Bloggs saying "I'm a sock of User:Example", and creating an account called User:Jane Doe is UserX - the former is a self-disclosure, the latter is most likely a self-disclosure but could also be outing. Since the account was glocked and suppressed I'd say the stews felt it was an outing concern, as for the former (which is what you're now asking about), the account is also glocked but I don't think it requires suppression. Primefac (talk) 12:42, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

The limits[edit]

Two users, (called twins by an another editor), have made hundreds, probably thousands of edits, editing a small number of pages regarding Polish-Jewish contacts, imposing radical Jewish-Israeli anti-Polish POV. Shall I pretend the editors are neutral? They don't pretend. As I have written - everything Poles did during the war was wrong according to the editors, the Polish editors have a long tradition of internal conflicts, the two editor perfectly cooperate figting any opposition.

I have my limits of tolerating anti-Polish rants.
If this Wikipedia accept Icewhiz and doesn't accept me, becauue Icewhiz is smarter and he sets the rules, so I may afford joining another project. This Wikipedia has already topic-banned a serious Polish editor. You have serious ethical problems. Your whole para-legal system is Nazi-like. An editor accuses, condems and defines the punishment.

Xx236 (talk) 13:46, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Would yoube so kind to censor some edits by the twins? Xx236 (talk) 13:48, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
Xx236, if you have an issue with an editor (or a pair of them) and a talk page discussion is not yielding results, then you should visit the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard or WP:ANI and file a formal complaint.
For the record, Icewhiz does not set the rules, but I also notice that they're not trying to subtly insult you or claim that you are anything that you are not in the talk page discussions. As I said on your talk page, it doesn't matter if they do have an agenda, you should debate the issues and not the editors making them. Of course if you can prove (without revealing any personal or off-wiki information) that they have an agenda, they can be topic banned from material, but if you really want to go down that road just remember that such proposals often backfire on the person making the complaint. Primefac (talk) 16:29, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

My removal from AfC team[edit]

What was the reason? Inactivity? Will I ever be added back again? Harsh Rathod Poke me! 15:00, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes, if someone asks for access and then doesn't use the tools, they get removed from the list - especially when their original addition was on a probationary/"let's see how you do" basis. Primefac (talk) 16:57, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

It is not like I didn't wanted to use those tools but when I searched for topics to review; they were already done. I think I was being way too specific. I want to reapply. Will I be added again? Harsh Rathod Poke me! 17:18, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

 Done. For what it's worth, don't feel like you have to review something if you're not comfortable/familiar enough with the content or the subject material. Primefac (talk) 17:37, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Face-wink.svg Thanks, I hope I will be of some use this time! Harsh Rathod Poke me! 02:30, 7 July 2018 (UTC)


Thank you for answering my newbie question on how to use talk pages. My other question is about over-editing articles as if there were a lack of space as in hard copy encyclopedias, it becomes somewhat cryptic for a reader when editing seeks to shorten sentences to the degree I've seen in wikipedia articles. If you want a case in point, I was looking at the article entitled Gabor Szabo where the section "Early Years" does not give a reader a clear picture of what really happened and is actually misleading. I improved it by making the two sentences into five clear and neutral sentences which did tell a clear story but User:PaulCHebert undid it immediately. I would like to find a user to help improve that article of a truly notable artist. Is there a process for asking for this? Thanks again Metaphysics Man (talk) 23:00, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Nomination for merging of Template:WikiProject History of photography[edit]

Template:WikiProject History of photography has been nominated for merging with Template:WikiProject Photography. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Qono (talk) 01:12, 9 July 2018 (UTC)


Hi Primefac, Greetings to you. Just found out AFCH 0.9 helper script is not on my menu tool bar today. Kindly advise and thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 03:49, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi Primefac, the script came back up. Not sure what had happened. All is good now. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 05:46, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

AfC script[edit]

Hey, how this user can access the AfC script without listing in reviewers list? Thanks ‐‐1997kB (talk) 16:34, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

1997kB, I see no indication that they have access to the script. Primefac (talk) 16:45, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
They came to -en-help and said that they have access also this edit in their contribution shows they have access. ‐‐1997kB (talk) 16:50, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
Well, they shouldn't have access. For what it's worth, a few months ago we had an editor who was manually recreating the AFCH notice, so it's possible that's what they've done. Primefac (talk) 16:55, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
In past they added their name twice in the list and got removed, maybe this is the issue? or maybe they are faking this. ‐‐1997kB (talk) 17:10, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
Could be a cache issue on the AFCH side of things. Never hurts to ask them. Primefac (talk) 17:33, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, I changed my name[edit]

Hello Prime. Today, I changed my name from 'In Memoriam A.H.H.' to 'The Duke of Nonsense'. Due to the name change, I cannot review draft articles with the AFC toolbox. Can you please change my name on the AFC user list. Thanks. The Duke of NonsenseWhat is necessary for thee?. 20:17, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

 Done. Primefac (talk) 12:36, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Reply to me[edit]

Hello. I see that you commented on my bot idea, suspicious user watcher. I didn’t make a joke request. It was a real request. SandSsandwich (talk) 08:10, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Fair enough, it was just vague enough that I wasn't sure. Primefac (talk) 12:34, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Chicago Food Truck Festival[edit]

Thank you for a lively discussion on the Chicago Food Truck Festival. I read your post and seek clarification; in deleting the page you stated a strong consensus for delete had form from the relisted discussion. Can you please elaborate specifically how you interpreted a strong consensus to delete? Again thank you for a lively discussion and moderation. Thelegaldude (talk) 15:02, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Following the relisting, there was one !vote to delete and two for redirecting. Your comments were taken into consideration, but they were much in the same vein as what you had already spent numerous thousands of bytes opining over. Thus, the weak consensus turned into a stronger one. Primefac (talk) 15:34, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Recent edit to Atmospheric refraction[edit]

You recently deleted an edit to Atmospheric refraction, removing the name TJ Kukkamäki from the "See also" list with the explanation "not relevant to atmospheric ref." The edit was probably correct since Kukkamäki is a relatively minor figure, but since he has published on levelling refraction and parallactic refraction, which are specialized subdomains of atmospheric refraction (I have one of his publications in my refraction folder), the explanation that he is not relevant overstates the point. --SteveMcCluskey (talk) 19:44, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

That's a fair point, and my edit summary wasn't the most accurate. My apologies. Primefac (talk) 19:54, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Going to Wikimania?[edit]

Hi Primefac -- I just wanted to check in because I'm headed to Wikimania in a few days, and I'm hoping to meet some AfC reviewers. I'm wondering if you'll be there. Let me know! -- MMiller (WMF) (talk) 22:08, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Nope. Didn't even know it was going on! Primefac (talk) 00:08, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
If you arent going, then i am not going either. —usernamekiran(talk) 00:39, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Where is it happening though? Dial911 (talk) 03:59, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
@Dial911: - - Cape Town, South Africa. SQLQuery me! 04:33, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks! Will work hard, save some money and maybe go next year :P Dial911 (talk) 04:37, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
@Dial911: It will happen somewhere else in 2019 though. —usernamekiran(talk) 19:50, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
Okay. Dial911 (talk) 19:57, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Netflix templates[edit]

May I create these templates for Netflix since you made that decision (Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 June 26#Template:Netflix original series)?

Landingdude13 (talk) 23:51, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Go for it. Primefac (talk) 00:09, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. Landingdude13 (talk) 00:10, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
It's done, you could get rid of these two (Template:Netflix original series & Template talk:Netflix original series). Landingdude13 (talk) 03:08, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
No. I specifically said that the template would be redirect and attribution (by way of {{split article}}) would be needed on all relevant talk pages. Primefac (talk) 12:22, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
Done. I redirect both of them. Landingdude13 (talk) 21:40, 16 July 2018 (UTC)


Hello, Please unblock my Bot OmarGhridaBot, I want to take tests for I reques bot falg now thank you ! --Omar Ghrida (talk) 11:50, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Omar Ghrida, you are welcome to place a BRFA, but the bot should only edit when a BRFA has been approved. If you need to do any test edits beforehand, you should use your main account. Primefac (talk) 12:06, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
OK, I did . but I have a question: Why do not you block them: Category:Unapproved Wikipedia bots ? and thank you --Omar Ghrida (talk) 21:46, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
Most of the unblocked bots in that category had approval at one point, but then lost it when they (or their owner) went inactive. There are a fair number of blocked bots in that category, for example, BackfireBotII hasn't edited since 2010, and its bot flag was removed. Primefac (talk) 21:53, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
yes ok, Thank You (: --Omar Ghrida (talk) 22:03, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Kitty Hawk Corporation[edit]

This isn't a copyvio issue, which I know you are interested in, but is an attribution question. The above article was created by a cut and paste move from Kitty Hawk Flyer. Normally I would restore both articles, and inform them to "move" the article (which most likely would include a housekeeping request to delete the redirect to make way). However, this is the first time I've come across a cut and paste, where they've actually included attribution from the original article. Is that enough? Onel5969 TT me 13:37, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Copy/paste page moves, even with proper attribution (which this didn't have), are extremely discouraged, because it's simply too easy to misplace the original text and lose attribution. Ideally pages should only be split, merged, or swapped. I've undone the copy/paste and added attribution for the previous merge from 2017. Thanks for letting me know. Primefac (talk) 16:53, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for doing all the heavy lifting on fixing it. Onel5969 TT me 18:08, 15 July 2018 (UTC)


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Hello, Primefac. You have new messages at Talk:John_Taylor,_Baron_Taylor_of_Warwick#RFC_discussion.
Message added 12:07, 16 July 2018 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Looks like Subjects opinion prevails, so, Close the RFC. DBigXray 12:07, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

DBigXray, one vote is not a consensus, even if it is the subject (or their agent). This is why we have RFCs. Primefac (talk) 12:20, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
Ok, Thanks for clarifying. --DBigXray 12:25, 16 July 2018 (UTC)


You seem to be sometimes forgetting to delete all the subpages of modules you delete following TfDs, for example Module:Ranking movements/testcases and Module:See also/sandbox. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 16:23, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

I do indeed. Thanks for the reminder. Primefac (talk) 16:38, 16 July 2018 (UTC)