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Closing instructions

On this page, the deletion or merging of templates and modules, except as noted below, is discussed. To propose the renaming of a template or templates, use Wikipedia:Requested moves.

How to use this page[edit]

What not to propose for discussion here[edit]

The majority of deletion and merger proposals concerning pages in the template namespace and module namespace should be listed on this page. However, there are a few exceptions:

Stub templates
Stub templates and categories should be listed at Categories for discussion, as these templates are merely containers for their categories, unless the stub template does not come with a category and is being nominated by itself.
Userboxes
Userboxes should be listed at Miscellany for deletion, regardless of the namespace in which they reside.
Speedy deletion candidates
If the template clearly satisfies a "general" or "template" criterion for speedy deletion, tag it with a speedy deletion template. For example, if you wrote the template and request its deletion, tag it with {{Db-author}}. If it is an unused, hardcoded instance or duplication of another template, tag it with {{Db-t3|~~~~~|name of other template}}.
Policy or guideline templates
Templates that are associated with particular Wikipedia policies or guidelines, such as the speedy deletion templates, cannot be listed at TfD separately. They should be discussed on the talk page of the relevant guideline.
Template redirects
List at Redirects for discussion.

Reasons to delete a template[edit]

  1. The template violates some part of the template namespace guidelines, and can't be altered to be in compliance
  2. The template is redundant to a better-designed template
  3. The template is not used, either directly or by template substitution (the latter cannot be concluded from the absence of backlinks), and has no likelihood of being used
  4. The template violates a policy such as Neutral point of view or Civility and it can't be fixed through normal editing

Templates should not be nominated if the issue can be fixed by normal editing. Instead, you should edit the template to fix its problems. If the template is complex and you don't know how to fix it, WikiProject Templates may be able to help.

Templates for which none of these apply may be deleted by consensus here. If a template is being misused, consider clarifying its documentation to indicate the correct use, or informing those that misuse it, rather than nominating it for deletion. Initiate a discussion on the template talk page if the correct use itself is under debate.

Listing a template[edit]

To list a template for deletion or merging, follow this three-step process. Note that the "Template:" prefix should not be included anywhere when carrying out these steps (unless otherwise specified).

Step Instructions
I: Tag the template. Add one of the following codes to the top of the template page:
  • For deletion: {{subst:tfd}}
  • For deletion of a sidebar or infobox template: {{subst:tfd|type=sidebar}}
  • For deletion of an inline template: {{subst:tfd|type=inline}}
  • For deletion of a module: {{subst:tfd|type=module|page=name of module}} at the top of the module's /doc subpage.
  • For merging: {{subst:tfm|name of other template}}
  • For merging an inline template: {{subst:tfm|type=inline|name of other template}}
  • If the template nominated is inline, do not add a newline between the Tfd notice and the code of the template.
  • If the template to be nominated for deletion is protected, make a request for the Tfd tag to be added, by posting on the template's talk page and using the {{editprotected}} template to catch the attention of administrators.
  • For templates designed to be substituted, add <noinclude>...</noinclude> around the Tfd notice to prevent it from being substituted alongside the template.
  • Do not mark the edit as minor.
  • Use an edit summary like
    Nominated for deletion; see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:name of template]]
    or
    Nominated for merging; see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:name of template]].
  • Before saving your edit, preview your edit to ensure the Tfd message is displayed properly.

Multiple templates: If you are nominating multiple related templates, choose a meaningful title for the discussion (like "American films by decade templates"). Tag every template with {{subst:tfd|heading=discussion title}} or {{subst:tfm|name of other template|heading=discussion title}} instead of the versions given above, replacing discussion title with the title you chose (but still not changing the PAGENAME code). Note that TTObot is available to tag templates en masse if you do not wish to do it manually.

Related categories: If including template-populated tracking categories in the Tfd nomination, add {{Catfd|template name}} to the top of any categories that would be deleted as a result of the Tfd, this time replacing template name with the name of the template being nominated. (If you instead chose a meaningful title for a multiple nomination, use {{Catfd|header=title of nomination}} instead.)

TemplateStyles pages: The above templates will not work on TemplateStyles pages. Instead, add a CSS comment to the top of the page:

/* This template is being discussed in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy. Help reach a consensus at its entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018_October_12#Template:template_name.css */
II: List the template at Tfd. Follow this link to edit today's Tfd log.

Add this text at the top, just below the -->:

  • For deletion: {{subst:tfd2|template name|text=Why you think the template should be deleted. ~~~~}}
  • For merging: {{subst:tfm2|template name|other template's name|text=Why you think the templates should be merged. ~~~~}}

If the template has had previous Tfds, you can add {{Oldtfdlist|previous Tfd without brackets|result of previous Tfd}} directly after the Tfd2/Catfd2 template.

Use an edit summary such as
Adding [[Template:template name]].

Multiple templates: If this is a deletion proposal involving multiple templates, use the following:

{{subst:tfd2|template name 1|template name 2 ...|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be deleted. ~~~~}}

You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters | ). Make sure to include the same meaningful discussion title that you chose before in Step 1.

If this is a merger proposal involving more than two templates, use the following:

{{subst:tfm2|template name 1|template name 2 ...|with=main template (optional)|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be merged. ~~~~}}

You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters | ), plus one more in |with=. |with= does not need to be used, but should be the template that you want the other templates to be merged into. Make sure to include the same meaningful discussion title that you chose before in Step 1.

Related categories: If this is a deletion proposal involving a template and a category populated solely by templates, add this code after the Tfd2 template but before the text of your rationale:

{{subst:catfd2|category name}}
III: Notify users. Please notify the creator of the template nominated (as well as the creator of the target template, if proposing a merger). It is helpful to also notify the main contributors of the template that you are nominating. To find them, look in the page history or talk page of the template. Then, add one of the following:

to the talk pages of the template creator (and the creator of the other template for a merger) and the talk pages of the main contributors. It is also helpful to make any interested WikiProjects aware of the discussion. To do that, make sure the template's talk page is tagged with the banners of any relevant WikiProjects; please consider notifying any of them that do not use Article alerts.

Multiple templates: There is no template for notifying an editor about a multiple-template nomination: please write a personal message in these cases.

Consider adding any templates you nominate for Tfd to your watchlist. This will help ensure that the Tfd tag is not removed.

After nominating: Notify interested projects and editors[edit]

While it is sufficient to list a template for discussion at TfD (see above), nominators and others sometimes want to attract more attention from and participation by informed editors. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing.

To encourage participation by less experienced editors, please avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations in the messages you leave about the discussion, link to any relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the TfD discussion page itself. If you are recommending that an template be speedily deleted, please give the criterion that it meets, such as "T3" for hardcoded instances.

Notifying related WikiProjects

WikiProjects are groups of editors that are interested in a particular subject or type of editing. If the article is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, they may welcome a brief, neutral note on their project's talk page(s) about the TfD. You can use {{Tfdnotice}} for this.

Tagging the nominated template's talk page with a relevant Wikiproject's banner will result in the template being listed in that project's Article Alerts automatically, if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a template with {{WikiProject Physics}} will list the discussion in Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.

Notifying substantial contributors to the template

While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the template and its talkpage that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, look in the page history or talk page.

At this point, you've done all you need to do as nominator. Sometime after seven days have passed, someone else will either close the discussion or, where needed, "relist" it for another seven days of discussion. (That "someone" may not be you, the nominator.)

Once you have submitted a template here, no further action is necessary on your part. If the nomination is supported, helpful administrators and editors will log the result and ensure that the change is implemented to all affected pages.

Also, consider adding any templates you nominate to your watchlist. This will help ensure that your nomination tag is not mistakenly or deliberately removed.

Twinkle[edit]

Twinkle is a convenient tool that can perform many of the functions of notification automatically. However, at present, it does not notify the creator of the other template in the case of a merger, so this step has to be performed manually. Twinkle also does not notify WikiProjects, although many of them have automatic alerts. It is helpful to notify any interested WikiProjects that don't receive alerts, but this has to be done manually.

Discussion[edit]

Anyone can join the discussion, but please understand the deletion policy and explain your reasoning.

People will sometimes also recommend subst or subst and delete and similar. This means the template text should be "merged" into the articles that use it. Depending on the content, the template page may then be deleted; if preserving the edit history for attribution is desirable, it may be history-merged with the target article or moved to mainspace and redirected.

Templates are rarely orphaned—that is, removed from pages that transclude them—before the discussion is closed. A list of open discussions eligible for closure can be found at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Old unclosed discussions.

Contents

Current discussions[edit]

October 12[edit]

Template:2017 Taiwan Football Premier League table[edit]

Only used in one article and see TfD outcome Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 October 4#Template:2018–19 Syrian Premier League table. Should be substed then delete Hhkohh (talk) 02:37, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:2017 Mongolian Premier League table[edit]

Only used in one article and see TfD outcome Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 October 4#Template:2018–19 Syrian Premier League table. Should be substed then delete Hhkohh (talk) 02:35, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:Chicago City Council since 1923[edit]

At Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Politics#City_council_template, newish editor John M Wolfson and I have been hashing out how to handle, the overlap caused by creating {{Chicago City Council since 1923}} in September 2018 although {{Chicago City Council}} has existed since 2007. The older template is for only current Chicago City Council biography articles, while the newer one includes the names of all councilmembers since 1923, which is the year the city council changed from 35 districts with 2 reps to the current format of 50 districts with 1 rep. I questioned the need and demand for the new template given that more important legislative bodies have met with resistance. Specifically, I have met with resistance for the User:TonyTheTiger/ILRepresentatives template and there does not seem to be interest in getting all of our house templates in order at Category:United States House of Representatives delegations navigational boxes. Since House of rep templates are controversial, I call a city council template into question. I am not really saying it should be merged or deleted, but I am calling for a clarification on the desirability of legislative templates with a complete historical listing. In this case it is important to note that unlike congressmen, the majority of historical councilmen do not even have articles.TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:46, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

  • I support keeping both this and the IL Rep template for essentially the reasons given in the discussion. I also raised the possibility of turning the contents of {{Chicago City Council since 1923}} into a list article, although that would remove some of the navigational advantages of the template. John M Wolfson (talk) 23:54, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
  • In my opinion {{Chicago City Council since 1923}} is almost useless as a navigational template, both because of its size and the shortage of actual links. A list article would be a great idea though. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:39, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hhkohh (talk) 02:33, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
  • I see some support for a list article. I'd be fine with it, but it would take some time to make (then again, the template took about 2-3 days). I'll be away on a camping trip this weekend so I won't be able to do anything then, but I did start a sort of mockup of the thing at User:John M Wolfson/List of Chicago aldermen since 1923. For anybody interested in helping out this is useful for dates and the full names of aldermen are commented in the template. If we want a list article I suggest that the template be retained until it is finished. --John M Wolfson (talk) 03:44, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

October 11[edit]

Template:The Guild series[edit]

Articles are well-interconnected without the need for a separate navbox. The series article is at AFD and will likely be deleted given that there are so few (notable) games in the series. Izno (talk) 18:42, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:User WP Earth science[edit]

Deleted WikiProject. Template:User interest earth science serves its purpose. © Tbhotch (en-2.5). 17:19, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

  • Wrong venue Userboxes belong at MfD. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 03:44, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject Earth science[edit]

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was Speedy delete, non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 01:59, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

And its subpages. The WikiProject Earth science was deleted last year. © Tbhotch (en-2.5). 16:55, 11 October 2018 (UTC) © Tbhotch (en-2.5). 16:55, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

Template:FIFA World Cup symbols[edit]

I'm unsure what this catastrophe of a navbox is supposed to be navigating. I think the only option here is WP:TNT. --woodensuperman 12:09, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Also, the music part of it is a duplicate of {{FIFA World Cup anthems and songs}}. --woodensuperman 14:18, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
Or perhaps, the music template was created after the symbols template. Lol. I think a split would be reasonable, or maybe the template can be redesigned to be akin to these types of templates. Soulbust (talk) 02:03, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:University of Puerto Rico at Arecibo[edit]

Useless. No links. --woodensuperman 10:49, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:Yokahu Lodge[edit]

Does not link scout-related articles, but towns. Unused except on one page, so does not provide useful navigation. --woodensuperman 10:48, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

October 10[edit]

Module:Purge2[edit]

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was speedy delete. Vanamonde (talk) 22:32, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Unused and broken (frames do not define an args2 table) duplicate of Module:Purge. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 20:57, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

    • Speedy delete G7 I don't remember making it nor do I want it. – BrandonXLF (t@lk) 21:07, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
      • Apparently it was made today?! I 100% didn't it even though I'm the only editor and page creator. What's going on here? It's not in my contributions as well. – BrandonXLF (t@lk) 21:10, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
        The doc page was made today by me when I nominated the module. The actual module was created in August. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 21:15, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

Module:PortalButton[edit]

Broken; would be implementable in Wikitext if it worked. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 20:53, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

  • delete unused, unneeded as we can just use portals. It was also not edited since May and is still Pre-Alpha. If it were to be keep it would need a lot of work to be done to it. – BrandonXLF (t@lk) 00:55, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:Futsal at the 2018 Summer Youth Olympics[edit]

Unused; the two links redirect to the main article. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 18:41, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Agree.--Anbans 585 (talk) 22:04, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

  • delete per nom Hhkohh (talk) 14:47, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:Ficha de organización[edit]

I think the creator of this template was trying to create an infobox instead, but in any case, as he is trying to create a promotional page for his company (Draft:Mikro Mac) and it's entirely in Spanish, the draft is likely to be declined and this template is completely unnecessary and creating a template loop. Richard3120 (talk) 15:53, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:Football (soccer) table results 3 teams[edit]

unused; replaced by Module:Sports results Frietjes (talk) 14:41, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

  • delete per nom Hhkohh (talk) 14:47, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:Malaysian football logos[edit]

unused Frietjes (talk) 14:40, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

  • delete per nom Hhkohh (talk) 14:47, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:Largest cities of Albania[edit]

unused and duplicates the table in Albania#Demographics Frietjes (talk) 14:12, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

  • delete per nom Hhkohh (talk) 14:47, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:Led Zeppelin (album)[edit]

unused; all the other Led Zeppelin album navboxes were deleted Frietjes (talk) 14:10, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

  • delete per nom Hhkohh (talk) 14:47, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:Led Zeppelin albums footer[edit]

unused; probably because the individual album navboxes were deleted Frietjes (talk) 14:09, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

  • delete per nom Hhkohh (talk) 14:47, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:Liga Paraguaya: Segunda División[edit]

out-of-date; current clubs are in Template:Paraguayan División Intermedia Frietjes (talk) 13:53, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

  • delete per nom Hhkohh (talk) 14:47, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:Ligat Al Map 2008-09[edit]

duplicates the the map in the article Frietjes (talk) 13:52, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

  • delete per nom Hhkohh (talk) 14:47, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:MedalTable[edit]

Propose merging Template:MedalTable with Template:Medals table.
While not identical, it seems like this template can be merged? Worth at least discussing. Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 18:32, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Question Looking at how they are used, I wonder how you want to merge them. The former is used to list number of medals for each sport in games (i.e. no rank and nations), and the latter is used to list number of medals a nation got (i.e. with rank and nation). ? Christian75 (talk) 15:35, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
@Christian75: great question. Below is a quick proof of concept. This is taken from Australia_at_the_Olympics#Medals_by_summer_sport (note that red links are due to {{gamesSport}} using PAGENAME). The only change that would need to be made is to add a {{{hide_rank}}} param that would hide the rank row. That is a pretty easy change to make. There are almost definitely other small changes that would need to be made, but I don't see anything that would prevent the two from being merged. Thoughts? --Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 17:13, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
RankSportGoldSilverBronzeTotal
1 Swimming606464188
2 Athletics21262673
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Galobtter (pingó mió) 08:25, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment "MedalTable" seemed to include accessibility by having col scopes, I can't see if that's true of Medal Table? The Rambling Man (talk) 18:31, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Merge. Agree with merge, no reason that one template cannot have all the functionality of both. -- P 1 9 9   15:16, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Module:Linkless[edit]

Unnecessary lua module, can be implemented in Wikitext (Wikitext version written in sandbox). {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 02:50, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

October 9[edit]

Template:The Good Place[edit]

Stumbling across this template, I initially planned to update it and include it in the articles which it is mentioned; currently only one article (Everything Is Fine (The Good Place)) includes it. However, with only six relevant articles, I don't think there's enough for a navbox. I've recreated the category Category:The Good Place (which was previously deleted when there weren't even enough articles for a category), so this should still aid navigation for readers. (If deleted, the template could be recreated without prejudice if a few more articles on The Good Place are made e.g. if show continues into future series.) Bilorv(c)(talk) 19:48, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Delete - I think the minimum is 5 links so the template should be recreated once an article for the next season is made, article on a character or more articles on more episodes. Matt14451 (talk) 15:40, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:Wikimapia cat[edit]

New template used to spam links to a Wiki based user-generated site ..... more egregious is the fact that the links don't land on relevant results. Moxy (talk) 07:54, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

  • Speedy delete WP:G11. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 18:04, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete as promotional, external link-spam and misleading (any readers who see that will assume Wikimapia is affiliated with Wikipedia unless they know of the site already). Bilorv(c)(talk) 23:10, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep since this template is no different than {{IMDb name}} and such in its nature. Note: I created this template and tried to stimulate discussion on the template talk page but I was unsuccessful.--Sa57arc (talk) 03:29, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
    • That it is the same as something else is not a reason to have it. iMDB often provides a completely different set of information. --Dirk Beetstra T C 04:00, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
      • Wikimapia also provides "different information". Oh well, some found it to be useful during its short life.--Sa57arc (talk) 03:36, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete there were warranted a manual link can be used. However, in by far most of the cases this link is unnecessary (we can include maps, we can link to coordinates through the geo hack), and as such use of this link on pretty much any page plainly fails WP:NOT#LINKFARM/WP:EL. And for cases of 'list of locations of Royal Dutch Shell buildings', that list could have each location linked through coordinates, not as a (not working, and possible incorrect) link on Royal Dutch Shell to a wikimapia cat. --Dirk Beetstra T C 04:00, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete. External link spam that violates WP:ELNO and WP:LINKFARM. And this will make it look like that Wikimapia is associated with Wikimedia. No need to promote this unrelated wiki project. -- P 1 9 9   15:12, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:2009AthleticsWCNations[edit]

Single-use template. Should be substed and deleted. Izno (talk) 02:41, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

  • subst then delete per nom Hhkohh (talk) 14:46, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

October 8[edit]

Template:Ontario Tertiary and 7000 Highways[edit]

Should be replaced by Template:Ontario Provincial Highways. Makes more sense to have all Ontario provincial highways in one navbox. – BrandonXLF (t@lk) 23:47, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

  • Note: I merged these three related template discussions. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:34, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Support - the new template is better. Whether that means these templates should be redirected to the new one for reverse compatibility or deleted and replaced, I'm not sure. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:34, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Administrative note if the result is "support merge" then these templates must be redirected with attribution, because it is fairly clear that they were directly copied (see Special:PermaLink/862068099). In fact,BrandonXLF, you should well know by now that copying without attribution is a serious issue on Wikipedia, and you should provide the correct attribution as soon as possible. Primefac (talk) 14:03, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
    • I didn't know that included templates. I'll add it right now. – BrandonXLF (t@lk) 19:43, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose—new template is just too large. To be honest, I'd suggest all of them be deleted as duplicative of the appropriate categories and list articles, but barring that, the individual navboxes by type/classification are a better arrangement than putting everything together. Imzadi 1979  23:48, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
    • We can have the separate navboxes in one navbox maybe. We could also have collapsible sub-navboxes. – BrandonXLF (t@lk) 07:29, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:27, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose in its current form - it is indeed too large. I suggest to do something similar to Template:Subdivisions of New Brunswick, where only the appropriate group is shown if selected. -- P 1 9 9   14:06, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Update to template - @P199 and Imzadi1979: How do these new changes look? – BrandonXLF (t@lk) 02:26, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
    • Still oppose merger and in favor of outright deletion of all of them here. Imzadi 1979  04:30, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:Kyrgyzstan NFT results[edit]

unused; and only links one article. Frietjes (talk) 22:02, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

  • delete per nom unless we extended in the future Hhkohh (talk) 14:45, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:Ahja Parish[edit]

No longer a municipality; villages are now in other parishes (e.g., Põlva Parish) Frietjes (talk) 21:49, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

  • Delete, no purpose of keepeng those templates since they're not used in any article anymore. 8 years ago they really had a purpose. Flying Saucer (talk) 18:43, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:PH electorate[edit]

Usage of Wikidata is not allowed in article text per Wikipedia:Wikidata#Appropriate usage in articles. This template is foundationally based on such a feature. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 18:54, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

  • Keep 49.145.130.131 (talk) 09:36, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
    WP:JUSTAVOTE {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 18:59, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Weak keep. The link above is not policy. And I am a proponent of more integration of Wikidata, not less. Furthermore, I wouldn't want the text to disappear altogether if this template is deleted outright. But if it were substituted, I could live with that (hence "weak keep"). -- P 1 9 9   13:38, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
    I was never actually planning to delete the text, only to subst it. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 11:30, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Kansas TV station templates[edit]

Propose merging Template:ABC Kansas, Template:CBS Kansas, Template:Fox Kansas, Template:NBC Kansas, Template:CW Kansas, Template:MNTV Kansas, Template:PBS Kansas and Template:Other Kansas Stations with Template:TV Stations Kansas.
To be inline with TV templates from other small states. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 01:22, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

  • Merge per nom. —Mythdon 09:02, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment I'm just wondering why all the mid/small size states are getting merged into one template like this? It doesn't make sense to me to cherry pick states to merge into a single template based on size. For example I just looked at the entire state of New York and all those templates can be consolidated down to one as well. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 09:37, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Galobtter (pingó mió) 16:26, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
  • I was about to support as it seemed pretty straight forward, but I gave it another look. Why should those templates be together? Because they are all TV stations from Kansas? Merging them doesn't seem like it fits the criteria placed in WP:NAVBOX (specifically, #1, #2, #3 and #5). --Gonnym (talk) 19:59, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Those templates should probably be together because it may be easier to navigate than with separate templates for each network affiliation and in the event a particular station changes its network affiliation it would either not require any edits or require less edits to those particular articles as the same template would apply to all TV stations from Kansas and other states 64222368Z260O (talk) 22:39, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:2018 Asian Games men's sepak takraw regu game BM[edit]

as far as I can tell, there was no bronze medal match (source) Frietjes (talk) 15:44, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

  • delete per nom Hhkohh (talk) 14:45, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:Current Tanzania Cabinet[edit]

duplicates Template:Cabinet of Tanzania; could be history merged Frietjes (talk) 15:09, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:Magufuli Cabinet Navbox 2018[edit]

unused; better to focus on Template:Cabinet of Tanzania Frietjes (talk) 15:08, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

  • delete per nom Hhkohh (talk) 14:45, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:MajorLatinGrammyAwards footer[edit]

unused Frietjes (talk) 14:50, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

  • delete per nom Hhkohh (talk) 14:45, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:Male field hockey kit[edit]

unused Frietjes (talk) 14:50, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

  • delete per nom Hhkohh (talk) 14:45, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:Massacres during the Shoah[edit]

unused; generally duplicates Template:Massacres or pogroms against Jews Frietjes (talk) 14:49, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

  • Delete duplicate template. Orientls (talk) 13:05, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
  • delete per nom Hhkohh (talk) 14:45, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:8TeamBracket Championship[edit]

unused; redundant to other 8TeamBracket templates Frietjes (talk) 14:44, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

  • delete per nom Hhkohh (talk) 14:45, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:4TeamBracket with 3rd-FIRS World Championship[edit]

unused; redundant to other 4TeamBracket templates Frietjes (talk) 14:44, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

  • delete per nom Hhkohh (talk) 14:45, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:4TeamBracket-1semifinal-2legfinal[edit]

unused Frietjes (talk) 14:44, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

  • delete per nom Hhkohh (talk) 14:45, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:3RoundBracket[edit]

unused and deprecated; could be redirected if a redirect is useful. Frietjes (talk) 14:43, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

  • delete per nom Hhkohh (talk) 14:45, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:2018 National Premier Leagues Victoria table[edit]

unused and out-of-date; the updated table is in the main article Frietjes (talk) 14:41, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

  • delete per nom Hhkohh (talk) 14:45, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:2018 Asian Games women's 3-on-3 basketball game A1[edit]

Reason is same as yesterday TfD, so should be substed Hhkohh (talk) 11:02, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

@This, that and the other: Can you run TTObot to add {{subst:tfd}}, Thanks Hhkohh (talk) 11:10, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
I cannot do any TTObot work this week, due to extensive real-life commitments. Please consider alternatives, including posting at WP:AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks. — This, that and the other (talk) 11:12, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
@Pkbwcgs: can you run AWB again? Hhkohh (talk) 11:13, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
@Hhkohh: Frietjes has tagged them all. Pkbwcgs (talk) 14:41, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
  • delete after merging with the main article and using LST in the other articles per the other discussion. Frietjes (talk) 14:19, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
    @Frietjes: There are another 110 templates in Category:2018 Asian Games sepak takraw game reference templates that I need to nominate for deletion. How do I get around nominating them all for deletion? Unfortunately, Twinkle doesn't assist in mass nominations. Pkbwcgs (talk) 15:24, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
    Pkbwcgs, I would like to see the subarticles for Sepak takraw at the 2018 Asian Games expanded first, since many of these have no home at the moment. once that's done, I would be happy to help with the mass nomination. Frietjes (talk) 15:34, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
    @Frietjes: I think all those subarticles are well expanded already. the results were already there in the tables. these templates should not be created in first place. they are incomplete and unnecessary specially for this sport of sepaktakraw. Mohsen1248 (talk) 15:50, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
    Mohsen1248, fair point. I agree that the tables are in many ways more complete. it would be useful to get the match report links into the tables before they are deleted. Frietjes (talk) 16:15, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
    @Frietjes: That's possible but since the official website was terrible, if you click on those match reports you only can see the final result. I mean no set scores. I found the PDF results book here with complete details. I think maybe it's better to just use that as the reference for the whole article !? Mohsen1248 (talk) 16:23, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:S-line/Sydney Trains right/SouthCircle[edit]

All of these templates are either unused or used only in one talkpage and one sandbox - both of which are already partially broken. Their existence just clutters the category they are in and adds confusion for people trying to work out the template system for these lines. Gareth (talk) 06:18, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

  • delete all per nom Hhkohh (talk) 10:55, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Module:Leading zeros[edit]

There are a lot ways of doing the things this does without a special lua module (Module:String2 has a stripZeroes function, one could write a simple pattern using Module:string (^0*), Module:StringFunc has a function that validates a number). There could be some value in a "is this a number" module, but that belongs in Module:Math, not standalone. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 02:46, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

  • @Pppery: Please refer to Wikipedia talk:Lua#Request Lua module for removing/striping leading zeros. This lua module was first discussed in the Lua talk page. We were hoping to create a module that not only strip leading zeros fast and easy, but also giving out a "good looking" error message all in one simple module. I would suggest keeping it as it could be used in various ticker symbol templates - this simplifies the coding needed in the templates, especially for the ones who don't know how to use magic words. Cheers. –Wefk423 (talk) 09:34, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Module:Italian provinces[edit]

Redundant to Module:Data {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 02:15, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

  • I've written versions that use Module:Data instead of this module in the sandbox of all of the Template:ProvinciaIT subpages. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 02:27, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Module creator here. Fine by me, but can you correct the script errors on the template pages. And where do you plan to move Module:Italian provinces/data if this module is deleted? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 06:42, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
    I plan to keep it where it is, as that seems to be the general convention for modules accessed using Module:Data. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 14:12, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
    I also don't see why correcting the script errors is necessary; they are the result of passing an invalid region to Module:Data, which the template is doing (it is not passing one). {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 14:13, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
    It is not good to keep it as a subtemplate of a deleted template. Better may be to move it to a subtemplate of Module:Data. And the errors are unsightly and may suggest to people that there is a problem with the template, even though there isn't. And it is better not to pollute Category:Pages with script errors. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:42, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Module:Gamelist counter[edit]

Propose merging Module:Gamelist counter with Module:Table row counter.
These two modules are mostly duplicates of eachother, plus Module:Gamelist counter is unused outside of the unused template that it implements. I wouldn't oppose simply deleting Module:Gamelist counter and Template:Gamelist counter, but a module that counts rows in a table matching a specific pattern could easily be useful. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 01:40, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

I'm the creator of this template, it was made for game list articles with the ability to count game and game exclusives, but as the consensus ended with exclusivity status to drop from tables in all game list articles, this template became useless. I'm fine with it deleted. Though I agree that it's got nice concept being able to count something from the table. Rukario-sama ^ㅈ^ -(...) 10:11, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Module:Log globals[edit]

Given that this module is only used on five pages, whereas Module:No globals is used on millions, it is clear that consensus says that trying to use global variables should be an error and therefore this module should be deleted. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 15:32, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

  • The purpose of the module isn't to make it possible to use global variables, but to make it easier to remove them. With Module:No globals, you get an error message for the first global variable that is encountered. If there are multiple global variables, you have to localize a variable, run the module, localize a variable, run the module, etc. for each global variable. You might even have to go localize variables in another module before continuing with the module you're in. Very inefficient. With Module:Log globals, you can look in the Lua log and see the full list of global variables that need to be removed, with stack traces, so you can remove all of them at once (and ignore those in other modules). Much easier when you're dealing with a module that's full of global variables. — Eru·tuon 17:43, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
    Why is that not in Module:No globals instead? --Izno (talk) 23:33, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
    I dunno. I didn't write Module:No globals. But the approaches of logging and erroring are mutually exclusive. — Eru·tuon 01:27, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
    The modules could be merged if some way were devised to switch between the two behaviors: for instance, the module could export a function that takes a boolean argument to determine whether to throw an error or log. (That would require editing the modules that currently use Module:No globals so they call the return value of the module.) Or it could export a function that, if called, would change the behavior from erroring to logging, so require("Module:No globals") would throw an error and require("Module:No globals")() would log. That would be cryptic, but wouldn't require editing. — Eru·tuon 01:37, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Template:Ping2[edit]

Given that {{Reply to}} has been implemented in Lua since 2016, I don't see a need for this underused fork of it. I wouldn't oppose merging with Template:Reply to, but don't think that doing so is necessary {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 02:35, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

  • Underused is right. Delete as an unnecessary fork. --Izno (talk) 15:21, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
  • delete underused and not needed. – BrandonXLF (t@lk) 00:22, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
  • I believe the point of Ping2 is in that it does not show the username in the body of the message, if a certain condition is met? That is something 'Reply to' does not do? --Gryllida (talk) 03:26, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
    That is one of its features, yes, however its only used by two users, doesn't seem super-important to me, and in any case could easily be merged. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 03:55, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep - Interesting template, though severely underused. However, no harm in keeping it around. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 06:19, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
  • delete, {{reply to}} allows for more than one recipient. Frietjes (talk) 14:36, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
Indeed. This has other exclusive features, see above; it isn't just a multi-ping. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 20:06, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep unless its functionality is merged into {{ping}}. I don't see any reason to inconvenience the editors who use this template, no matter how few they might be. – Uanfala (talk) 08:59, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
    Templates which have been around for 4 years and found only 10 uses? I don't think complicating the other module is worth that. --Izno (talk) 23:26, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
    Well, then don't delete this one :) – Uanfala (talk) 00:05, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
    Yeah, no. We don't leave unused modules lying around. This is an unused module. --Izno (talk) 00:47, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
    A module with 13 transclusions [1] is not "unused". – Uanfala (talk) 08:14, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
    Relative to its more-used nearly-the-same functionality, it is. Please don't wikilawyer the word 'unused'. --Izno (talk) 16:04, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
    Unused - "not being, or never having been, used"; not wikilawyering, but merely access to a dictionary. Calling this unused is incorrect.— Godsy (TALKCONT) 18:04, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 00:39, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete and just merge its functionality to {{Reply to}}; that would address all issues here. -- P 1 9 9   14:30, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

October 7[edit]

Template:Airport and East hills line[edit]

All of these templates are either unused or used only in one broken sandbox. Their existence just clutters the category they are in and adds confusion for people trying to work out the template system for these lines. Gareth (talk) 16:11, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

  • delete all per nom Hhkohh (talk) 10:56, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:Sydney Trains[edit]

Unused outside of one talkpage and out of date Gareth (talk) 15:59, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

  • delete per nom Hhkohh (talk) 10:56, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:14, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:Weak oppose[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:57, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

As per the deletion of Template:Strong oppose, this vote symbol is also against consensus. This should also be salted like the others. Pkbwcgs (talk) 12:32, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

  • delete and salt per prior consensus. Frietjes (talk) 13:51, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
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Template:2018 Asian Games men's 3-on-3 basketball game A2[edit]

Single-use unused templates. I have already substed them into relevant articles. Pkbwcgs (talk) 09:45, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

There are too many pages and I can't tag them all! Please help out. Pkbwcgs (talk) 10:06, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
All have now been tagged using AWB but I don't know if XFDCloser will be able to handle closing a discussion with more than sixty templates. Pkbwcgs (talk) 10:29, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
There are still around 1,000 of these 2018 Asian Games single-use templates left but over the coming days, I will be nominating them for deletion but this is enough for today. There are none of these templates left from 2014 Asian Games. Pkbwcgs (talk) 11:19, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
  • delete after merging with the articles; no need for single-use templates. Frietjes (talk) 13:51, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep some@Frietjes and Pkbwcgs: Some templates like A1 are used in China at the 2018 Asian Games. So some of these are not single-use templates. Also, these templates should be substed after TfD and should noinclude TfD tags Hhkohh (talk) 16:45, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
    • @Hhkohh: They will be substed in those articles as well. Pkbwcgs (talk) 16:51, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
    • if you want to share the content between articles, you can use LST. Frietjes (talk) 16:56, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
      • okay subst then delete all Hhkohh (talk) 10:57, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

October 6[edit]

Living presidents & living vice-presidents of the United States[edit]

(combining as it seems the discussion should be conducted together YBG (talk) 00:08, 7 October 2018 (UTC))

Template:Living vice presidents of the United States[edit]

Single-use template--just integrate into the article. ―Justin (koavf)TCM 20:37, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:Living presidents of the United States[edit]

Single-use template--just integrate into the article. ―Justin (koavf)TCM 20:36, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Discussion & !votes for living POTUS and living VEEP[edit]
  • keep. (1) The tables are quite complex and single-use templates are an effective way to keep complex formatting from cluttering up article space. (2) Each template depends on subtemplates used dozens or even hundreds of times. Integrating into the article would require eliminating the sub-templates and so a huge amount of repetition. (Full disclosure: I am the author of these templates) YBG (talk) 00:08, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
    I have advertised this discussion on the talk page of the article that uses the templates. I also repaired the broken format in the two templates by adding a line break after the TfD template so the software will recognize the table-begin syntax. Also, I combined these two items into a single discussion so that they could be discussed together, and re-targeted the TfD discussion to point to the combined discussion. @Koavf: In combining the two discussions, I tried to do the absolute minimum of editing to what you had entered here. I have, however, added comments in the wikitext suggesting that what you might do to de-clutter the discussion header. YBG (talk) 00:37, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
    @YBG: Your perspective and formatting help are greatly appreciated. ―Justin (koavf)TCM 00:51, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
    @Koavf: Do you want me to delete the extra headings as I've suggested in the wikitext? YBG (talk) 19:44, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
    I don't have strong feelings on that. Just that single-use templates should be deleted. ―Justin (koavf)TCM 01:49, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
    @Koavf: I'm wondering what you propose to do with the subtemplates, which are used multiple times. Should they be retained? Substituted? Perhaps you could create on talk:Living presidents and vice presidents of the United States a one- or two-row example of what you'd like to see to replace the tables. I remain open to changing my !vote, but I'd like to understand your proposed alternative. Thanks! YBG (talk) 14:53, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
    @YBG: E.g. Template:Living presidents of the United States/PlusMinus? Why wouldn't they just be subst:ed into the article? The only instances are other subtemplates of this template. ―Justin (koavf)TCM 17:00, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
    @Koavf: PlusMinus is definitely not necessary, and I've been planning to eliminate it completely. But the other subtemplates are much more problematic. What, for example, would you suggest doing with {{Living presidents of the United States/Row}}, {{Living presidents of the United States/Box}}? YBG (talk) 18:24, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
    @YBG: Those are also only transcluded into this template and the article in which it appears. Honestly, this should never have been a template: it's just a table. HTML (and wiki markup) can make tables--there is no need for an off-article template for this. ―Justin (koavf)TCM 18:43, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:House of Cards (U.S. TV series)[edit]

The template is not being used after the content was merged into Template:House of Cards, similar to the style of other adapted television series like {{Fargo}} and {{Westworld}}. - Radiphus (talk) 13:22, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Super Sentai templates[edit]

While there's many Sentai templates that serve a navigational purpose to the Super Sentai/Power Rangers, that's just not the case with these in particular. Ohranger's in particular is of little use since it only contains links to two separate character articles plus a link to the American adaptation, while the latter four are loaded with both redirects and links to the same articles. The superfluous links gives the illusion that these templates are more useful than they actually are. I say delete or redirect.—Mythdon (talkcontribs) 07:23, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Template:Holocene epoch[edit]

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The result of the discussion was withdrawn by nominator.  Paine Ellsworth  put'r there  15:47, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Withdrawn Navigation template unused in main space.hike395 (talk) 02:10, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

  • I don't see anything wrong with it as a resource. It does not seem properly used, Its items do not link to articles of those names, but link to articles of other names. Moreover, the other articles give the impression of not being well-designed. I think the problem might be lack of attention on this specialized topic. I don't know how desirable it is to clear the space. Will anyone take an interest in this subject? Will anyone create articles of those names? Is it too early to remove this resource?Botteville (talk) 07:09, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep. There are many instances on our project where there are navbars like this associated with sidebars, in this case the {{Holocene}} sidebar, because sometimes consensus is to use the navbar at the bottom of articles rather than the sidebar at or near the top of articles. Just because this navbar is not presently used in articles does not mean it won't be used in the future. I have redesigned the navbar to make it more like the other similar navbars in template {{Period navbars}}, and I would like to add this template back in if it survives this Tfd. Also, I shall place a notice of this discussion on the talk pages of the associated WikiProjects, Geology and Environment.  Paine Ellsworth  put'r there  11:43, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
Paine makes a good point. I will withdraw my deletion nomination. —hike395 (talk) 15:13, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
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October 5[edit]

Template:Mava Marafane[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 08:56, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

This page is not a template but a CV article which might qualify for speedy deletion as WP:A7: no indication of importance. Certes (talk) 23:29, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

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Template:Divbox/style/x[edit]

No longer needed by the template ({{Divbox}}). – BrandonXLF (t@lk) 21:02, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

  • Delete. Looks correct. Template:Divbox now uses a CSS instead of these. --Bsherr (talk) 14:17, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Module:Linguistic[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:12, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

The English Wikipedia does not need to have a module of this sort: it is written in English and there is no reason to write code that dynamically conjugates text in other languages. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 23:45, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

  • Comment This is module was previously deleted at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Module:Linguistic, but I nominated here instead of using G4 because that nomination was a "cleanup unused modules" one, and this one is fundamentally attacking the idea of this module as unnecessary for mono-lingual wikipedias. Pinging participants from previous discussion: @Godsy, Robert McClenon, and Snaevar:. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 23:54, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment: On the contrary, if we want our code modules to be inter-operable with those on other language Wikipedias, then we will need modules that handle linguistic translations. We are not working in a walled garden: our sister projects want to make use of the modules we create, just as we want to make use of the modules created elsewhere. Nevertheless, in this particular case, Module:Linguistic is not directly used by other modules on English Wikipedia, so I can't see harm in deleting it, on the understanding that it can be recreated any time that it is needed by other modules. --RexxS (talk) 00:08, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment - I didn't understand in June 2017, and I don't understand in September 2018. I infer that this module has something to do with support for multiple languages, and that the English Wikipedia is monolingual. If this module is used by other Wikipedias, why is it in the English Wikipedia? If they are calling it, it sounds like spaghetti inheritance. On the one hand, I don't know why it is here. On the other hand, I don't know why we should break it if it isn't broken. Therefore:
  • Weak Delete Robert McClenon (talk) 00:33, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
    The reason it is here is because some users (not including me) want modules to be character-for-character identical (with the possible exception of require sections at the beginning) to the corresponding modules on other wikis like Commons, where this module is obviously needed, and therefore this module has to exist here in their eyes. I disagree with this goal, as I think it leads to pointless code bloat on non-multilingual wikis, and that combined with my general tendency to try to clean module namespace leads me to this deletion nomination.
    The only code that uses this module right now is Module:i18n/complex date, which is itself more multi-lingual stuff that could easily be simplified to use just English. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 00:59, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
    What you are calling "spaghetti code" is rife throughout all modules in the English Wikipedia: there is a tendency to import a module, and then import all its dependencies even when local modules already exist to do the same thing (and sometimes even !vote keep when the dependencies are TfDed, see Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2018_May_29#Module:TemplateData_dependencies). {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 01:10, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep It is currently used by over 60,000 pages through Module:I18n/complex date -> Module:Complex date -> Module:WikidataIB, where it is necessary to keep the code consistent across multiple Wikimedia projects. Consider deprecating it first, if you can do so without removing the functionality that's currently used across the 13 projects (according to sitelinks at Module:Linguistic (Q20739902)). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 09:36, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
    False. None of those pages actually used any code from Module:Linguistic, only required it, as can be seen the fact that Module:Linguistic is now unused after I modified Module:I18n/complex date to require the module only when needed. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 14:54, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
  • delete, unused and not needed. Frietjes (talk) 13:06, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: As of now, no consensus at the moment
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Still no consensus
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Pkbwcgs (talk) 17:07, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
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Template:Bku[edit]

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was keep. This did not need bringing up at WP:TFD. The matter could be discussed at Template talk:Bku and specialist input sought at WP:VPT and/or WP:BOTREQ. I will close this and make a post at the template talk. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 06:47, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Propose refactoring Template:Bku.
This isn't really a merge as much as it is a refactor. Every other flag template I have seen takes the nation param first and the descriptor param second. Should this template be redone so that it works as {{bku|ESP|18}} instead of the current format of {{bku|18|ESP}}? Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 18:00, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

  • comment there really is no difference, I see no purpose on that. PS next time adding this "merge/delete template" remember not to include whitespace between this and template start. --Pelmeen10 (talk) 00:37, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment @Zackmann08: - {{N/a}} is tagged with TfD. I cant see how and why that template should be merged with Bku - a mistake? Christian75 (talk) 06:08, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Explination allow me to explain... I was attempting to start a discussion about {{Bku}}. I used WP:TWINKLE to nominate the template and when I got to the 'template to merge' field in the popup I simple put N/A because it wasn't a merge I was considering, but a discussion that I wanted to start. What I failed to realized is that this went and tagged the template {{N/a}} as well. This was obviously an error on my part and I do apologize for the mistake.
Now with regards to this nomination, @Pelmeen10: the reason that this is an issue has to do with the way other templates interact with these. Specifically I came across the issue when using {{Medals table}}. What this template does is take two params {{{flag_template}}} & {{{event}}}. These parmas are used in conjunction with the various 3 letter nation codes to produce things like {{flagIOC2team|GRE|2004 Summer}} where flag_template = flagIOC2team and event = 2004 Summer. So far, every single flag template I have come across is setup in the format {{<template_name>|<country_code>|<optional_descriptor>}}. The only exceptions that I have found so far are {{bku}} and {{Fbwu}}. I don't doubt there are others. So what I am proposing is that we try to keep things consistent. Instead of being formatted as {{bku|<descriptor>|<country_code>}}, I propose flipping this around to be {{bku|<country_code>|<descriptor>}}. The template only has 277 transclusions at the moment and most of those are within medal tables that I will be cleaning up as part of converting them to use {{Medals table}} anyway so I would gladly take responsibility for updating every single transclusion of the template but I want to make sure that I do so after a discussion has been had.
Hopefully this explanation answers the questions you all had. If not, please let me know! --Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 16:23, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Template:United Football League (2009) team[edit]

Propose merging Template:United Football League (2009) team with Template:Infobox NFL team.
Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 02:12, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

@UCO2009bluejay: that is a VERY valid point... I was thinking "their both football teams..." but I agree with you. Should I close this and re-nominate or should we just change this discussion to be merging the template to {{infobox sports team}}? --Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 16:54, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
Keep it open until consensus arrives. If it's not a clear support, then open another one under infobox sports team (which I would oppose, BTW). ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:20, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
I don't usually discuss things on Tfds and I don't know how it works so I would suggest that if UFL should be merged it would be to the American football template. The NFL has a few different parameters. I've posted a link to this discussion on the NFL project talk page. I am unaware of their feelings on this topic, but they should be discussed.UCO2009bluejay (talk) 21:11, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Merge both to Template:Infobox American football team and redo the template to remove any unneeded parameters (like helmet size, really?). I don't see how NFL and UFL teams would use so many different parameters that they need to be separate. All the basic ones, like name, colors, foundation date, owner, are ubiquitous. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:19, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
    • I think you've missed the point of the "helmetsize" parameter. It's not because players wear helmets of different sizes, it's so that they can set the size of the image of the team's helmet. – PeeJay 11:22, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
@PeeJay2K3: Actually Dissident meant that helmet size is a defunct parameter.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 19:35, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
This should be automatically handled anyway. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 23:10, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Wow I can't remember the last time I changed my own mind so many times! I support the comments above and am glad to see others pointing out issues! I think we need to identify the ultimate "parent" template and see if there are any other templates that fit with this merge. --Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 21:39, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Pkbwcgs (talk) 19:48, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Galobtter (pingó mió) 08:10, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

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Tamtam90, you're welcome to start a TFD/merge discussion for that infobox. Primefac (talk) 01:50, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
Primefac, I've started it here. --Tamtam90 (talk) 22:53, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
Tamtam90, you misunderstood my statement; I was saying that if you felt {{infobox anthem}} should be merged into {{infobox musical composition}} that you should start a TFD - as mentioned in the procedural close of the TFD you've started, TFD is not the place to re-litigate previous discussions. Primefac (talk) 14:49, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Template:Audiosample2017 May 10Audiosample ( links | talk | doc | sandbox | testcases ) merge with {{Extra music sample}}
    Jc86035, I notice you've moved this template and have done some work - why the duplication with (now) {{audio sample}}, and how is the progress coming in finishing this merge? Primefac (talk) 18:15, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
    @Primefac: Would have been done sooner, but I was planning to substitute all the other templates in the group along with these two in one go ({{Infobox single}}, {{Infobox album}}, {{Extra chronology}} and so on). This is stalled because subtemplate nesting errors (415) and formatting errors (7,240), which have to be fixed first, could not all be automatically fixed with AWB, due to limits in my regex writing, the obscene amount of variation in formatting errors, people not filling in all the data, and the lack of graceful fallback to not showing dates for chronologies due to the Lua regexes being written with parser functions instead of Scribunto (I don't know why I did this but it's not worth fixing at this point because the categories will take forever to repopulate). I am unable to write Python so pywikibot is out of the question unless someone else does the rest of the fixes. Possibly superfluous descriptions (438) in the audio sample templates also need to be gone through but I never got around to it. Jc86035 (talk) 03:21, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
Jc86035, Primefac: 700+ instances of {{Audiosample}} have been converted to {{Audio sample}}. That should be all of them, so that leaves 1,600+ {{Extra music sample}} to deal with. —Ojorojo (talk) 22:16, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

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This request has been lingering for a year. Neither template is protected. There's no technical issues, just aesthetic ones related to the subject matter. The discussion had only one contributor Chicbyaccident who would seem ideally placed to include the required bits of {{Politics of the Holy See}} into {{Politics of Vatican City}}. Cabayi (talk) 19:53, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
There are a lot of templates that have been sitting here for a while, it's just that no one has gotten to them. It'll get handled eventually. Primefac (talk) 17:09, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

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