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Citation metrics[edit]

This discussion appears to have project-wide implications. P Lease participate. --Randykitty (talk) 15:06, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

IF: year published or year data is from?[edit]

I happened to notice an impact factor out of date and changed it to the 2016 list (released last year); in the infobox I put 2016. Then I noticed that there are other articles where the IF is given as 2017, which I would have thought impossible. So now I'm confused! What is the standard for impact factor? Do we say the year the data is from (e.g. 2016 for the most recent figures) or the year published? {{infobox journal}} is ambiguous on this point. Thanks! Julia\talk 14:49, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Year data is from. E.g. the 2016 Impact Factor is published in 2017. 2016 goes in the infobox. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:23, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
Okay, thank you. I will correct the ones that say 2017 in the infobox. There are over 40 with this mistake—what do you think of changing the infobox parameter description to make it clearer? I'm not suggesting everyone who put 2017 searched for the correct year to enter, but if they had they would have been confused. Julia\talk 09:18, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Deletion discussions[edit]

Deletion discussions of academic journals could use some more input from knowledgeable members of this project. By watchlisting Wikipedia:WikiProject Academic Journals/Article alerts it is easy to stay informed about ongoing debates. Thanks! --Randykitty (talk) 03:15, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Algebraic Combinatorics (journal)[edit]

Following the discussion here, I've created a draft article Draft:Algebraic Combinatorics (journal). Any input would be welcome. (It has recently published its first issue; I have been waiting until it has an ISSN.) --JBL (talk) 17:38, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

  • One issue published, one source. Seems to me that this meets neither NJournals nor GNG. --Randykitty (talk) 17:52, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
Seems like a case of WP:TOOSOON/WP:CRYSTALBALL to me. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 03:38, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Well, I wish you both had weighed in on the earlier discussion, instead. The article has two in-depth sources related to the founding of the journal, one of which is an article in Inside Higher Ed (clearly an RS for this sort of thing, and an indicator of notability), the other of which is a long blog post by Timothy Gowers (on one hand, a blog, but on the other hand, a subject matter expert in both mathematics and the publishing of mathematics), as David Eppstein said in the earlier discussion, I think this makes a good (if not completely ironclad) case for notability via the third condition (or via GNG). Certainly, a published article devoted entirely to discussion of the journal is something that only a small fraction of our articles on journals have. (There is also one other source we could use but don't, here; I don't know whether it is also a solid source.) Also, NJournals 3 is very clear that age of the journal is not a factor. Could you re-evaluate (or at least give a more detailed analysis, that could be used for deciding when to move the draft into article space in the future)? Thanks, JBL (talk) 12:47, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
If anything, that's an argument about Journal of Algebraic Combinatorics's notability, not Algebraic Combinatorics's. As for when to move it? When it becomes notable. Having a handful of sources discussing what's essentially WP:1EVENT applied to a journal, rather than a person does not meet that treshold. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:35, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
I don't understand your first sentence at all: the references are entirely about the new journal, they say almost nothing about the Springer journal (except that its board is quitting).
Also surely you realize that saying "when it becomes notable" without any comment on what you think that means is completely unconstructive. If you don't say something about what you feel would constitute notability in this context, it is impossible to distinguish your comments from WP:IDONTLIKEIT.
Finally, it's not an accident that 1event is part of the guideline for people, not for institutions; an institution notable "only" for its founding is still notable, there is no analogous thing for people.
(I realize that this all sounds argumentative, but you have really given me nothing constructive to go on.) --JBL (talk) 15:52, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
See WP:NJOURNALS. Is it indexed somewhere selective? No. It is highly cited? No. Is it historically important? No. Does it pass WP:GNG directly by being discussed in depth in multiple sources over a long period of time? No. When the answer to one of those becomes yes, then it's fine to move, not before. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:07, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Your invocation of time with respect to WP:NJOURNALS is explicitly rejected there: "The reverse is also true, a recently established journal is not necessarily disqualified by this." (I certainly would not have tried to write an article about a new journal if the notability guideline ruled it out!) --JBL (talk) 16:12, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
I agree with Headbomb that this misses NJournals completely. It's extremely rare for a new journal with only 1 issue published to pass NJournals (I don't think I've ever seen that, although I have seen cases where a jouranl got into the Science Citation Index while still in its first year). So the question is whether this passes GNG and there I'm less sure, the Inside Higher Ed article is mostly about the JoAC, but does go into some detail about AC. I have no clue whether the Gowers blog should be regarded as a reliable source or not. Perhaps David Eppstein can say something about that. I think we can accept the LSE blog as a reliable source, as it has an editorial structure with an editor-in-chief and is published by a renowned school, but it is mostly about other stuff and the story on the JoAC/AC is more used to illustrate some other issues. Together, I find this borderline for GNG, so I see both Headbomb's case for finding this lacking and JBL's case for finding this a pass. It's not the first journal where the editorial board resigns to start a new, this time OA, journal, so that probably has reduced the coverage that this event got. --Randykitty (talk) 17:30, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
I've edited Journal of Algebraic Combinatorics and included most of the stuff from the draft into it. I propose moving the draft into mainspace, replacing it with a redirect to Journal of Algebraic Combinatorics, and add "mergeto" and "mergefrom" tags on the respective talk pages for attribution. Given that apparently several prominent people from this field are involved with AC, I'd expect it to be picked up pretty soon by Scopus and likely some other selective databases, too, at that point, notability will be unassailable and the redirect can be transformed into a more standard article. Hope this is acceptable to all. I'm signing off for the day, feel free to implement this if you agree. BTW, I've not created the redirects for the ISO4 abbreviation, as I'm not completely certain how "Combinatorics" should be abbreviated. (See also the article on the Dutch WP). --Randykitty (talk) 20:34, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Sounds good. I went ahead and did that. XOR'easter (talk) 22:00, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
@Randykitty: there are links in the infobox/top of the articles to verify what the abbreviation is. The abbreviation was correct, so I created the redirects. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 00:12, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, Randykitty and XOR'easter. --JBL (talk) 01:02, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Living review[edit]

I recently created this, as a WP:BCA, the term comes from Living Reviews journal series established in 1998, but it clearly is the same type of publication as the Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews established earlier. Feel free to edit and update, it could use some love and referencing. @DGG:, I feel this is up your alley. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:22, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Isn't Cochrane republished at intervals, while these are continually updated? What it seems closest to , actually, is WP. The question here is to what extent "Living review" is generic. There are a few outside their system but using the name, but very few. There are also ones that work in this manner but in slightly different ways. Yes, I needto do some checking. DGG ( talk ) 05:49, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Psycinfo selective?[edit]

I wanted to ask other editors in this project whether they consider PsycINFO to be a selective database. Presumably Randykitty, for instance, doesn't, since he recently prodded Scholarship of Teaching and Learning in Psychology (which is indexed in PsycINFO), but this link says that "Since first being offered in print as Psychological Abstracts in 1927 and subsequently as the electronic database PsycINFO in 1967, the American Psychological Association has chronicled issues in psychology through highly selective coverage of a wide variety of sources." (my emphasis) Every morning (there's a halo...) 16:02, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

  • I think that they mean "highly selective" here as meaning that they have gone out of their way to select any journal that somehow might be of interest to psychology... --Randykitty (talk) 16:07, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Oh, OK, so it means that they tried to be as inclusive as possible--which is the opposite of what I thought it meant (which was that it only selected a few journals). Also this seems to indicate that they mostly care about research that's relevant to psychology, so I guess it's not selective after all. Good to know. Every morning (there's a halo...) 17:30, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Comptes Rendus (disambiguation)[edit]

I created this recently. I did a bunch of cleanup for WP:JCW, trying to standardize and create redirects (I probably made upward of 500 such redirects) for the various Comptes Rendus out there.

If you know of other Comptes Rendus, please add them there. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 02:29, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Dispute at Frontiers Media[edit]

Two editors keep removing the list of Frontiers Media journals on the article and refuse to give their reason for the removal on the talk page. An outside opinion would be welcomed here. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:04, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

  • I have no firm opinion on this, so I won't participate in the discussion. However, I have stopped the edit warring by protecting the page for 24 hours. If the edit warring starts again after that period expires, blocks will be in order... --Randykitty (talk) 16:52, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
    • Thanks. Forcing people to go to the talk page will be good. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:00, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Are these notable?[edit]

Headbomb brought the following articles to my attention:

Between the three articles, there are no claims of notability and no independent sources (the third article has no sources at all, the first two each have a single source which is in both cases a list maintained by the published of all the journals in the series). I would like to hear the opinions of this project about what the grounds are for believing these articles satisfy WP:N and WP:RS. --JBL (talk) 14:35, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

  • To start with the latter one, apart from one journal, these all seem to be defunct. But notability is not temporary, of course. I checked two (Current Opinion in Investigational Drugs and Current Opinion in Molecular Therapeutics) and they used to be indexed in Index Medicus (see here), which is pretty good evidence of notability, as it stands, the article is quite uninformative, I'd say, but perhaps it can be fleshed out if sources can be found on their folding, for example. The Elsevier Current Opinion journals are still very much alive and the series is still expanding. Even though only some have articles, my hunch is that all but the latest ones meet NJournals. However, I don't think there are any sources on the series as such. Basically, the same goes for the LWW series. However, this goes for almost any publisher-specific journal list that we have (List of Elsevier periodicals, for example, where the only "sources" are the homepages of redlinked journals). I'd go even farther, this goes for the vast majority or perhaps even every single journal list on WP. See, for example, the List of history journals which mostly duplicates Category:History journals, it has a huge list of references, which basically is one big linkfarm with ELs to the journals' homepages. And, mind you, that's one of the better examples of journal lists. Most entries in Category:Lists of academic journals have not a single reference and just duplicate their respective categories with at most an introductory line saying "This is a list of foo journals" (for the benefit of those readers who cannot read the list title, I guess). Those lists are also a bitch to maintain with all kinds of COI editors trying to insert their pet non-notable journal (I just notice that the first entry to List of medical journals is an EL to an apparent predatory publisher). If it were up to me, I would get rid of each and every one of them; in the past I have indeed tried to get some such journal lists deleted, but that has proven absolutely impossible, LISTN notwithstanding. So I've removed them from my watchlist, which did wonders for my blood pressure, and only sometimes stumble on one and then if I feel like it take a big broom through it; in summary, while the above three lists have their weaknesses, we have far worse things that could use our attention (I'm not trying to make a OTHERSTUFF argument, just an argument about efficient use of precious editor time). --Randykitty (talk) 16:06, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
I'll point out that I share most of RK's annoyances with lists of journals (which invites EL spamfests from a lot of non-notable predatory crap), but those mostly applies to the list of journals by fields/topics (e.g. List of physics journals). This can usually be solved by applying a WP:WTAF mindset, rather than an "everything that ever existed" approach.
For lists by publishers, those can usually afford to be comprehensive, save perhaps for Elsevier or similarly comparable publishing giants, since they are better defined sets and much easier to control. Whether or not such lists are warranted mostly depends how notable the publisher/series is in general and how many entries there are in it (smaller lists usually are incorporated in the publisher article), for standalone lists, this is a case where the lists inherits the notability of its individual journals. If most are notable, so is the series. If most aren't notable, then it's likely not a notable series.
Entries like BMC series, Frontiers in ... journal series, Current Opinion (Lippincott Williams & Wilkins), Current Opinion (Elsevier), Current Opinion (Current Drugs), all of which feature multiple notable journals have the benefits of letting us more easily apply WP:N/WP:NJOURNALS to individual journals since there's a central lists where we can put information about the less notable ones.
For the Frontiers series, we used to have such an entry until it was redirected/merged with the publisher. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:15, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frontiers in... journal series[edit]

Please participate here, this could possible affect several of our Category:Academic journal series articles. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 03:19, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

The general hostility of that discussion has been remarkably high (I am reminded of Sayre's law). I would like to apologize if I have contributed to that atmosphere, and I will be taking advantage of the "opportunity" that work deadlines are giving me to step away from wiki-stuff for a few days. I sincerely hope that editors not yet involved can bring some outside perspective and help things cool off. Cheers! XOR'easter (talk) 02:21, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
@DGG, Randykitty, and Everymorning: you normally comment on these cases, you don't have to, but your feedback is usually both varied and insightful. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 10:33, 19 March 2018 (UTC)


WP:JWG and editor COIs[edit]

Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Academic Journals/Writing guide#Journal conflicts of interest. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:46, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Monitore Zoologico Italiano[edit]

Newly created Monitore Zoologico Italiano is an awful mess of redlinks and changes of director, not to mention it having various names over the years, for which I added a reference, but note that Unione Zoologica Italiana has a different name for it from 1902, that article also uses the word 'replaced' rather than saying 'changed name'; I don't know if you would consider that significant. I bolded the names I added, but stopped short of creating redirects and inbound links when I realized how confusing this was becoming. Not sure how best to handle this, particularly whether current or original name should be the main article, or indeed if they should all have their own article. Derek Andrews (talk) 19:38, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:GSC Biological and Pharmaceutical Sciences[edit]

When is a journal predatory? And if it is, can we still have a draft of it, even though it'll probably never become notable? Knowledgeable editors are invited to give their opinions either way at this MfD. --Randykitty (talk) 17:31, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Newly rejected draft[edit]

I just came across Draft:Journal of Spine Surgery (JSS), which was rejected by an AFC reviewer just a few days ago, and wanted to bring it to the attention of other editors here, in case any of them think it's notable/worth improving. Every morning (there's a halo...) 03:55, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Springer Nature suggested changes/COI[edit]

I would like to propose a few changes to Springer Nature, as I am working in the Communications team at Springer Nature, I’m aware that this constitutes a COI. For this reason, I have created a new version with suggested changes in my Sandbox to be found here: User:Birgit_at_Springer_Nature/sandbox/Springer_Nature. I would like to ask the community to review the suggested changes and, if approved, to mirror the changes on Springer Nature. I would appreciate your help in enriching this page with updated information and references. Kind regards, --Birgit at Springer Nature (talk) 11:29, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Birgit at Springer Nature. The best thing to do is to post this request at Talk:Springer_Nature, as I see you have done, but with the addition of the edit request template code, as explained at Wikipedia:Simple COI request#How to create a request. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:57, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi Cordless Larry, many thanks for this tip. I appreciate you taking the time to respond here. I have added the code in my request now at Talk:Springer_Nature. --Birgit at Springer Nature (talk) 10:05, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
I've accepted the changes. One question for Birgit at Springer Nature (talk · contribs), is Springer Vieweg the same thing as Springer Vieweg Verlag? Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 14:10, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi Headbomb, that is great news! Many thanks for your help in approving my suggested changes. Regarding your question: Yes, Springer Vieweg is indeed the same as Springer Vieweg Verlag. I must have missed that this article exists already. Would you be able to change this accordingly, i.e. change the code to Springer Vieweg? Or is there anything I can do to help?--Birgit at Springer Nature (talk) 15:18, 10 April 2018 (UTC)


Wikipedia:WikiProject Academic Journals/Bluebook journals[edit]

As a follow up to this discussion and this discussion, I got myself the 18th and 19th bluebook edition, and created a list of journals with Bluebook abbreviations. I've created redirects for all abbreviations that had a journal entry (or a journal redirect entry).

All redirects can be found in Category:Redirects from Bluebook abbreviations. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:37, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Cabell's list access[edit]

See this request at TWL. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 12:38, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Archives of Pharmacal Research[edit]

I recently created Archives of Pharmacal Research and I'm not sure what the right ISO4 abbreviation is: the NLM catalog entry [1] suggests it's Arch. Pharm. Res., but the tool automatically suggested on the article page right now (because the abbreviations haven't been turned into redirects yet) indicates it's Arch. Pharmacal. Res. Which one do other editors think is right? (I'm not sure so I haven't created either yet.) Update: I created Arch Pharm Res (with and without periods) as redirects but haven't tagged them as ISO 4 redirects because I'm not sure if they are yet. Every morning (there's a halo...) 21:35, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Valid ISO-4 would be "Arch. Pharmacal Res.", with Pharmacal not abbreviated (no dot after it), as the tool suggests. This is because "Pharmacal" does not match anything on the LTWA List of ISO-4 (probably not by omission, but because it tries to make abbreviations unambiguous and there are many other words with pharmac-), the NLM often has an incorrect "ISO-4 abbreviation", but there's a discussion about adding another infobox parameter for their "NLM abbreviation", which may be popular/useful enough to be worth adding (I have no opinion here). Tokenzero (talk) 15:52, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, now that I looked at it more, there's actually a LTWA rule abbreviating "pharmacy" to "pharm." and the standard does specify (3.5) that derivatives should be generally abbreviated in the same way as the root word (and they give an example of "physics" and "physical" being "phys."). So now I believe your "Arch. Pharm. Res." is the right ISO-4 and the tool is wrong (since it can't handle derivatives). Tokenzero (talk) 16:13, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
That's most likely because "Pharmacal" isn't a proper word, or a very unusual one. The word you form with Pharmacy is Pharmaceutic/Pharmaceutical (Pharm.), or Pharmacology (Pharmacol.). So while it's related to Pharmacy, and kind of means the same thing as Pharmaceutical, you can search the LTWA (http://www.issn.org/services/online-services/access-to-the-ltwa/) with "Pharm" and you'll see all the variants, but Pharmacal isn't one. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 03:58, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

WP:PCW discussion at WP:BOOKS[edit]

Please comment there. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:23, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Cambridge Journal of Evidence-Based Policing[edit]

Any opinions on whether this stale draft on a 2017 Springer journal might be notable? Thanks, Espresso Addict (talk) 03:49, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Nope. That's a clear fail of WP:NJOURNALS. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 03:52, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

If anyone who can code Lua modules cares[edit]

See Template talk:Infobox journal#Need parameter Medline_abbreviation for the dozens of journals where it does not match ISO 4. Quercus solaris (talk) 01:15, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Recent overhauls to the infobox[edit]

Please see the above link. There's also an RFC on abbreviation usage. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:47, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Journal of Injury and Violence Research[edit]

Do other editors think that the Journal of Injury and Violence Research is notable? No impact factor and not indexed in any databases that seem to be clearly selective enough to meet NJOURNALS, so I would guess that it isn't, but of course I want to know what other editors in this project think too. Every morning (there's a halo...) 02:24, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Index Medicus is selective. It'd be a pass for me. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 02:55, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Draft:The Malaysian Journal of Library and Information Science (MJLIS)[edit]

I noticed this abandoned draft Draft:The Malaysian Journal of Library and Information Science (MJLIS) and wondered whether the journal might be notable. Eastmain (talkcontribs) 04:20, 17 May 2018 (UTC)