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Louisiana–Lafayette Ragin' Cajuns[edit]

Gang, there is a requested move discussion regarding the name of the school. Please visit this link for the discussion. It is recommended that you read the discussion above it as well. Corky Buzz by the Hornet's Nest 14:14, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Please join the discussion[edit]

Matt Hart Wiki[edit]

A college basket player starting his career at Division III and transferring up to Division I is a rarity. Also rare is that same player earning a full athletic scholarship at the Division I level. Also rare is for said player to become a rotational player performing in all games he was eligible for. Matt Hart accomplished all of these things playing in all 73 games over two seasons at GW scoring 290 points while also being a team leader in 3 point and free throw shooting percentage. prefix:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College Basketball/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by OP Farmer (talkcontribs) 02:27, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

FYI, this is in reference to this. Ejgreen77 (talk) 04:49, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Coaches record in the infobox[edit]

Being bold, I have added a parameter for the coach in the infobox [1]. I think it is useful, as seen at Template:Infobox NCAA football school. I am working on getting it as an optional parameter so it doesn't affect all articles. Corky 21:08, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

You're invited...[edit]

Note: You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football#Colors in infoboxes, which involves templates in your WikiProject, regarding the issue of whether or not to include the school colors in the infoboxes of Template:Infobox NCAA football school, Template:Infobox college coach, and adding the college color module to Template:Infobox NFL biography. Please comment there. Thanks, Corky 03:31, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Someone moved ETSU pages incorrectly[edit]

There was a move discussion that nobody from this WikiProject was alerted to. End result was 6 articles moved incorrectly. Can someone move them back? 2601:80:C202:91B2:658F:DBDA:57FF:9408 (talk) 03:33, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

At first I thought you were right, but taking a closer look... the pages need disambiguated from the women's articles. adding "men's" in there is correct. Corky 04:11, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Commonly used names[edit]

User:Manster1 has the team names on all the early season tournament pages, like 2017 Maui Invitational Tournament, to not only their full name but also their abbreviation. Like VCU they have listed as Virginia Commonwealth (VCU), LSU as Louisiana State (LSU). Others include Cal State Fullerton listed as California State Fullerton (Cal State Fullerton), Ole Miss as Mississippi (Ole Miss), Chattanooga as Tennessee-Chattanooga (Chattanooga), UAB as Alabama-Birmingham (UAB), and a lot more. I went through ever single early season tournaments page, found in the pre-season section of Template:NCAA men's college basketball tournament navbox, and changed them to the names actually used on their article and the name that they are commonly known by yet they reverted every single one of my edits and blanked their talk page when I tried to contact them. I'm assuming I'm not in the wrong here, shouldn't they be listed by what we all actually know them as? It seems pointless to list teams like UCLA as California Los Angeles (UCLA). A) everyone knows them as UCLA and B) why list their full name and their abbreviation at the same time? I don't want to revert any of the edits until I here back because I don't want to start an edit war with someone who won't cooperate. Bsuorangecrush (talk) 16:31, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

I am not hard over on full name vs. abbreviations in these cases, but we definitely don't need both. Rikster2 (talk) 16:35, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
One thing about the abbreviations, in my opinion, is that if anyone actually wonders what UCLA or LSU or VCU actually stand for then they can click on the link to their season article since every team in DI has their own page. Plus, their season articles and team articles are already listed as the abbreviation due to the fact that they are commonly known as that. It has been accepted that California Los Angeles is known as UCLA, that Virginia Commonwealth is VCU, etc. Otherwise their season articles wouldn't use UCLA or VCU or news outlets would use their full name. Bsuorangecrush (talk) 16:42, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Use the common name from the respective team article, which is not always the same as the university name. Unlike dealing with the academic side of schools, it's pretty much common usage in sources to not expand abbreviations of college sports teams—Bagumba (talk) 16:58, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
I have not done anything wrong regarding putting the team's full name and abbervations both, most people actually want to know what the abbreviations stand for. I think it's only fair to put the full name and abbreviatiosn together in case some people want to know what they stand for instead of just putting the abbervations. Juts because it's common usage to not expand abberviations of any sports teams doesn't make it the wrong to put both the full team name and the abbreviations both-Manster1 (talk) 11:58, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
It’s a WP:NOTPAPER encyclopedia. If anyone is confused about what the school is they can click the link. That’s the advantage of being on-line. Rikster2 (talk) 18:12, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Agreed, don't need both and changing it back doesn't help the matter. Lincolning (talk) 18:15, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
I don't appreciate anyone making me feel like i have done something wrong when i know for a fact i haven't. I have every right to put both the team name and abbreviation as i please because it does not state in wikipedia that you can't use both at the same time. Stop trying to make others feel bad for no reason especially when they have not done anything wrong. Manster1 (talk) 12:22, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Your feelings have nothing to do with it being done correctly. Stop taking this as a personal attack. This is not about you at all, it's about getting it done the right way and the way you are doing it is incorrect. Team names have never been listed that way, just look at any season other than 2017 on all of those pages. The common names for the schools should be used as they always have been. Bsuorangecrush (talk) 18:27, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Stop personally attacking me and harassing me and bullying me, It clearly states in wikipedia to treat everyone with respect and be respectful. You'll are making me feel bad for no reason at all. I know for a fact I'm doing it right and that i'm not doing anything wrong. Stop making others feel bad just so you'll can feel better about yourselves because you like to bully and harass others for clearly no reason. Manster1 (User talk:Manster1|talk]]) 12:47, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
The short name only is appropriate here. Jweiss11 (talk) 18:49, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
We are treating you with respect. Ignoring the thoughts of other editors is what is being very disrespectful. The fact that five other uses are telling you you are doing it incorrect should tell you that you are in fact doing it wrong. We don't care about your feelings. We care about it being done correctly and there is no personal attack in anyway happening. Bsuorangecrush (talk) 18:53, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
No you are not treating me with respect, especially when you say you don't care about my feelings, that is more disrespectful. I'm not being disrespectful to anyone. You are the one calling me names here and saying i've done something wrong when i clearly haven't. Stop personally attacking people just to make you'll feel better inside because you have no respect for other feelings and how you make them feel. Saying you don't care about anyone and there feelings is very disrespectful and truly bad manners. Stop personally attacking me for no reason. Leave me alone. Manster1 (talk) 13:11, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

So what is the next step here? Obviously we agree that common names are what should be used, but I don't want to edit them to the correct name because, due to their comments here and on their talk page, Manster1 is very likely to simply revert them again. I noticed Rikster2 already reverted Las Vegas Classic to the common name for UC Davis, but I don't want to do the others to start an edit war. Or should I just link to this discussion in the edit summary field? Bsuorangecrush (talk) 19:18, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

I realize none of you personally like me at all. You've all made it very clear that every single i do is and always will be wrong no matter how many times i say i'm not wrong. I don't like being accused of things especially when i did not do anything wrong to you'll or any other wikipedia users. I really don't understand why you'll have such a problem with me wanting to help with edits?. Manster1 (talk) 14:13, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
I do not understand why you think this is personal and frankly will not explain again why it is not. If you don't understand that by now then you never will. Simply saying you are not wrong does not make it true. We are not "accusing" you of anything, we simply want it done correctly. Bsuorangecrush (talk) 20:20, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
I think it's personal because you'll don't know that i have Asperger's which is a form of autism, social disability. Your basically calling me stupid by saying that if i don't understand that by now then i never will. How is that a nice thing to say to someone. You'll are making me feel bad for no reason by saying i did something wrong, like i broke some kind of law which i have never ever done. I'm not a criminal nor should i be treated like one. I'm being accused of using the team's name and abbreviations as like it's some kind of crime which it's not. I don't understand why it's such a problem using both of them. Manster1 (talk) 14:30, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Your condition should not excuse you from following the same policies as everyone else and in this case WP:commonname should be used. Bsuorangecrush (talk) 20:35, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
I'm not making excuses and i don't appreciate being told i am when i know i'm not. I'm trying my very best and apparently everything i do is wrong. Anytime i have used the common names other people have corrected me and said i'm doing it incorrectly. That's all i'm trying to say ok. Manster1 (talk) 14:45, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Nobody has corrected you if you used the common names. The page history proves that. If you simply put UCLA instead of California Los Angels (UCLA) then this wouldn't be an issue. And I simply use UCLA as an example. There a lot more that could have used common names but you used the full name and the abbreviation when it should have only been the common name. Bsuorangecrush (talk) 20:50, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Rikster2 and I have restored the common names and I informed Manster1 on their talk page. But of course they blanked their page but they have been told about the changes. Bsuorangecrush (talk) 21:16, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

  • Manster1 just reverted my changes. I feel there is a clear consensus here and an ready to start doling out warnings for disruptive editing. One guy isn’t going to hold these articles hostage by reverting multiple user changes in the face of pretty clear consensus. I will hold off on reverting in the hopes that somebody has a better suggestion because warnings until a block is a pretty stiff way to handle it. Rikster2 (talk) 21:22, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
    • Screw it, I just put a warning out there. The volume and speed of reverting is ridiculous. Ultimately will probably result in a block for WP:3RR violation. Rikster2 (talk) 21:27, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
And they quickly blanked out your warning. Bsuorangecrush (talk) 21:34, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
It's ok for a user to do WP:BLANKING of their own talk page. The assumption is that they are aware of the message.—Bagumba (talk) 02:27, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Manster1 has reverted 3 of my edits. I reverted them back and left a message on Manster1's talk page. But does anyone know how to send warnings that they can be blocked? Even though I've been editing for 7 years I've never learned or have the authority to do that. Bsuorangecrush (talk) 21:28, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
    • One option is to enable WP:TWINKLE. Rikster2 already gave a sufficient warning, and there hasn't been further reverts yet. Hopefully, we all understand that we operate on consensus, and nobody's individual opinion is wrong, per se.—Bagumba (talk) 02:16, 20 January 2018 (UTC)