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Village Pump proposal to delete all Portals[edit]

Editors at this project might be interested in the discussion concerning the proposed deletion of all Portals across Wikipedia. See Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#RfC:_Ending_the_system_of_portals. Bermicourt (talk) 08:37, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Multiple reverts for Anglo-Normans[edit]

I have recategorised several biography articles from Category:Normans to Category:Anglo-Normans, for example in this edit, based on the following definition - it is the first sentence of the Anglo-Normans article:

The Anglo-Normans were the medieval ruling class in England, composed mainly of a combination of ethnic Anglo-Saxons, Normans and French, following the Norman conquest.

User:Ealdgyth reverted multiple of the recategorisations, for example in this edit. The question is, is the above definition of Anglo-Normans incorrect or is there another problem with the recategorisation that I boldly implemented? Note by the way that the article isn't specific on whether this person was from Norse or from French descent, so categorising as Category:Normans seems more questionable than Category:Anglo-Normans. - Marcocapelle (talk) 11:58, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Anglo-Normans are generally the people who are a generation AFTER the Norman Conquest. They are the people raised in England but of Norman heritage or are from marriages between Normans and English. You can't call someone who was born in Normandy and came over to England with William the Conqueror an Anglo-Norman really. They are Norman. Many of your category changes were making articles that had the first sentence say "so-and-so was a Norman" into the category of Anglo-Normans. That makes no sense. I didn't blanket revert all your changes - but I did correct them. For example: Urse d'Abetot - your two edits changed the category from Category:Normans to Category:Anglo-Normans and added Category:11th-century English people. But Urse's very first sentence says "Urse d'Abetot (c. 1040 – 1108) was a Norman who followed King William I to England" - so your edits make no sense. He can't be a Norman in the first sentence and in categories for Anglo-Normans AND English. Others were similiar - Walkelin says he's Norman in the first sentence. Picot of Cambridge - "Picot of Cambridge (c. 1022–after 1090) was a Norman landowner and Sheriff of Cambridgeshire". Robert de Todeni - "Robert de Todeni was a Norman nobleman who held lands in England...". Ealdgyth - Talk 12:12, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
(1) That is a different definition of Anglo-Normans indeed, because having been raised in England is not a requirement of the Anglo-Normans article. I wonder what this additional requirement is based on.
(2) Of course biographies can be in multiple categories if people move from one country to another. If people lived in England and acquired notability in England they should also be in the category of English people by century regardless where they were born.
- Marcocapelle (talk) 12:48, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
The definition of an Anglo-Norman is the one that most historians of the period use. And it doesn't conflict with the article on Anglo-Normans - "composed mainly of a combination of ethnic Anglo-Saxons, Normans and French, following the Norman conquest." That pretty much states that its the combination of peoples. I wouldn't object to having Anglo-Norman AND Norman on some of these articles - but removing the very clearly relevant "Norman" category is wrong when the various articles clearly call the people Normans. I suspect the problem is that Anglo-Normans is a subcategory of Normans - which it really isn't. And I'll note that Category:11th-century English people states that the category is for "This page lists English people notable during the 11th century." And the English people article says its about an ethnicity. I'm just going by the category itself. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:23, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Category:17th-century British painters has been nominated for discussion[edit]

Category:17th-century British painters, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you.. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:59, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Opinions needed at Talk:Religion in England[edit]

We need opinion from third parties regarding the addition of a pie chart: Here the discussion.--Wddan (talk) 21:14, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject collaboration notice from the Portals WikiProject[edit]

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Discussion at Talk:Jane Seymour (actress)#Nationality in lede[edit]

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Jane Seymour (actress)#Nationality in lede. 2600:8800:1880:91E:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 05:05, 1 June 2018 (UTC)